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#35764 - 03/04/04 01:45 AM Re: Wow... Receivers really do sound different!...Ya right
2x6spds Offline
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Registered: 03/16/02
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Loc: CA, USA
Wow, Beezer, you just had a head-on with the flat earth folk. Of course there's a difference in the sound between receivers, and more differences than are measured by a frequency response curve. I've owned enough receivers over the years to be able to say with confidence that there are major differences in sound quality from one receiver to another.

Among my personal favorites among low price units is the Panasonic SA-HE200 which I compared to the Harman Kardon AVR65, Onkyo 797, Sony STRDB1070, Sherwood something or other. The Panny did very well, sounded better than the HK unit.

Careful if you're considering bringing up the subject of speaker wire or interconnects. Some folks around here think string does as good a job and can get pretty riled up if you think there's anything better than zip cord.
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#35765 - 03/04/04 03:27 AM Re: Wow... Receivers really do sound different!...Ya right
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Any one else getting a strange feeling of déjà vu?
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#35766 - 03/04/04 10:15 AM Re: Wow... Receivers really do sound different!...Ya right
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Any one else getting a strange feeling of déjà vu?
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#35767 - 03/04/04 10:44 AM Re: Wow... Receivers really do sound different!...
chesseroo Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4829
Loc: western canada
Yes.
You are so right.
There are SO MANY things OTHER THAN sound frequencies that the human ear can hear.
Gee, you must be one amazing medical specialist with lots of auditory research and publications on double blind testing with human subjects to know such "facts" that others do not.
Just in case you could not comprehend the previous statements, they are referred to as sarcasm. I can send you a link to a definition if you would like.
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#35768 - 03/04/04 10:58 AM Re: Wow... Receivers really do sound different!...
JasonG Offline
local

Registered: 04/29/02
Posts: 216
Loc: central Ohio
My current receiver sounds like crap in two-channel stereo mode -- far worse than my previous receiver. The current one sounds fine if I run the CD player through the multichannel analog inputs, though.

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#35769 - 03/04/04 03:10 PM Re: Wow... Receivers really do sound different!...
joema Offline
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Registered: 12/21/03
Posts: 273
Loc: Nashville, TN
The thing I don't understand about the "receivers sound different" argument is in this context we're referring only to the amplifier component of the receiver. IOW one amp sounds different or better than another.

Yet I thought the job of an amp is to perfectly reproduce the input signal, or as close as possible. In EE classes you learn about the "ideal amplifier", which does this. If one amp sounds different from another, that implies that one or both are not perfectly reproducing the input signal. Wouldn't that be noise or distortion?

I also don't buy the argument that you can't measure it. It's essentially comparing two sampled waveforms. The bandwidth involved is very low (audio range), so it doesn't take particularly exotic data acquisition equipment. 25 years ago there were digital oscilloscopes with 50Mhz sample rates. Today you can buy a PC Card that does that. I wonder if anyone has done such a study?

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#35770 - 03/04/04 06:14 PM Re: Wow... Receivers really do sound different!...
2x6spds Offline
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Really! So, what kind of receivers do you all use in your systems? Curious given this all-receivers-are-the-same theory.
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#35771 - 03/04/04 08:10 PM Re: Wow... Receivers really do sound different!...
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all-receivers-SOUND-the-same.

That's much different than saying they ARE the same. Features should be the driving factor behind a receiver purchase.
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#35772 - 03/04/04 08:29 PM Re: Wow... Receivers really do sound different!...
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Loc: NoVA
More specifically:

All-receivers-sound-the-same-when-all-DSPs-tone-controls-etc-are-turned-off-and-the-volume-controls-are-set-to-the-same-level.

Because one could argue with the first statement quite easily.
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#35773 - 03/04/04 11:08 PM Re: Wow... Receivers really do sound different!
Audiobob Offline
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Registered: 09/05/03
Posts: 84
a few months back when I was still looking I posted :
You know, any of these will be fine but I just wanted to let you know that 4 months ago I was also in the market for my first HT setup and while I think the HK line was the most pleasing to look at, to my ears it colored the music in a sort of "muzak" sort of way if you know what I mean. I also looked at the Onkyo TX-SR700 and the Denon 2803. Both were very comparable but the Denon won out"....

Yes'm receivers do sound different!






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