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#370139 - 03/18/12 07:18 PM Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs? [Re: BobKay]
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#370145 - 03/18/12 07:42 PM Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs? [Re: Cork]
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#370161 - 03/18/12 08:54 PM Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs? [Re: BobKay]
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That is irritating!


edit: not you Bob..hahah!


That JBall less dude?? I don't get the remorse?


Edited by SBrown (03/18/12 08:57 PM)
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#370204 - 03/19/12 02:11 AM Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs? [Re: JBall]
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Originally Posted By: JBall
Originally Posted By: Andrew
Originally Posted By: SBrown
Awesome JC! Are the drivers made by you guys also?


ALL of our drivers are designed and manufactured in-house. This is the only way to have full control over performance and quality. Our subwoofer baskets are already die-cast. The reasoning for a die-cast option for the other drivers is more perception than anything else. Some manufacturers use very thin-walled stamped steel woofer baskets that can resonate at some frequencies. However, the standard Axiom baskets are made from very heavy gauge steel and do not "ring". You can expect identical performance from either the standard or die-cast option. smile


Sorry to be a fly in the ointment here but I'm not sure I buy into the notion that the only way to maintain quality is to build your own drivers. Many of your competitors use OEM parts or they work with OEM companies to spec their parts. They have no QC issues as far as I know. In fact, many of them offer much higher performing products dollar for dollar as a result.


With respect to speakers (not subs) I am not aware of any "higher performing products dollar for dollar" than Axiom speakers. What products are you referring to?
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#370231 - 03/19/12 11:40 AM Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs? [Re: 2x6spds]
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Originally Posted By: 2x6spds
Originally Posted By: JBall
Originally Posted By: Andrew
Originally Posted By: SBrown
Awesome JC! Are the drivers made by you guys also?


ALL of our drivers are designed and manufactured in-house. This is the only way to have full control over performance and quality. Our subwoofer baskets are already die-cast. The reasoning for a die-cast option for the other drivers is more perception than anything else. Some manufacturers use very thin-walled stamped steel woofer baskets that can resonate at some frequencies. However, the standard Axiom baskets are made from very heavy gauge steel and do not "ring". You can expect identical performance from either the standard or die-cast option. smile


Sorry to be a fly in the ointment here but I'm not sure I buy into the notion that the only way to maintain quality is to build your own drivers. Many of your competitors use OEM parts or they work with OEM companies to spec their parts. They have no QC issues as far as I know. In fact, many of them offer much higher performing products dollar for dollar as a result.


With respect to speakers (not subs) I am not aware of any "higher performing products dollar for dollar" than Axiom speakers. What products are you referring to?


My focus was on their subs but there are many brands competitive and perhaps a better value than Axiom when it comes to speakers.

Here are a few:
Aperion Audio Verus
ARX Speakers
Ascend Acoustics

And that is just in the "A's". I recently heard the Ascend Acoustics new Tower and it slayed my M60s. I am saving up now to get them and sell my M60s to my neighbor.

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#370233 - 03/19/12 11:49 AM Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs? [Re: Cork]
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OMG! Ascend offers a tweeter option! What's wrong with them? Why not just include the best tweeter for a speaker of that price?? shocked


Edited by MarkSJohnson (03/19/12 11:50 AM)
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#370235 - 03/19/12 12:02 PM Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs? [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
OMG! Ascend offers a tweeter option! What's wrong with them? Why not just include the best tweeter for a speaker of that price?? shocked


Yes and they acknowledge there is a performance difference with the upgrade. It's not just audio jewelry. I didn't even hear the model with the tweeter upgrade and it was simply amazing.

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#370237 - 03/19/12 12:16 PM Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs? [Re: JBall]
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Arx offers cast baskets on the midwoofers at no extra cost, plus XBL2/splitgap technology. And they are cheaper than Axioms compariable models. Plus the planar tweeters use neo magnets which is very expensive right now.

But stamped can be very good too, but I think maybe Axioms current driver tech just doesn't benefit from die-cast some other woofers do.

Theres a big difference between upgrading from a soft dome tweeter to a planar transducer like the Ascend offers. IMO theres a huge difference between domes and planars, planars to me reproduce strings better and offer higher peak dynamics than domes do.

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#370238 - 03/19/12 12:17 PM Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs? [Re: Cork]
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#370239 - 03/19/12 12:18 PM Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs? [Re: Cork]
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The Accends are very good speakers, I picked the 340s for my sisters theater system. Do they best my Axioms? No, no they don't but then again I have M80s.

Her center can't touch the VP160, that for sure. And the surrounds aren't even close to being as good as the QS series.

But they are a good speaker for the money, there's no arguing that.
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