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#373242 - 04/13/12 02:54 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: BobKay]
medic8r Offline
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Registered: 02/05/06
Posts: 6382
Loc: Fredericksburg, Virginia
He didn't have to presume the superior position. You put yourself in the inferior position with your psychotic ramblings. Seriously, you need to lay off of the political TV/radio/whatever source that you're feeding your brain. It's so clearly poisoning you.

I respect your right to hold a different opinion than me on any topic. However, your paranoid anti-Obama rants are just too much. When you claim that the President of the United States of America is purposefully trying to hurt the country as some sort of conspiracy, you've lost all credibility. Maybe my perspective is skewed - my radar too sensitive - from dealing with psychotic patients all day, but I doubt it. You really make me want to fit you for an aluminum foil hat.

I mean, there's such a significant chasm between "I think his policies are bad, and I disagree" and "I think his policies are purposefully bad as part of a plot to destroy America". The latter is the rant of a psychotic jackass.

There's clearly not going to be any talking sense into you. I give up.
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#373245 - 04/13/12 03:17 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: BobKay]
2x6spds Offline
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
Of course. Here's an example. Major Nidal Hasan (fellow psychiatrist?), sprays his fellow American soldiers with gunfire while he yells Allahu Achbar. He murders 13 and seriously wounds another 32 at Fort Hood.

Terrorist attack by a Jihadist? No, according to the Obama administration, it was an industrial work accident. So, who is promoting a delusion of normalcy in the face of a clear Jihadist Terrorist attack? Maybe you think to contradict the given wisdom is paranoid. You have the right to be wrong.

Medic8r, you may be a shrink, so it may come easy to you to dismiss political opinions with which you disagree as "paranoid," or "psychotic ramblings." You know, medic8r, your profession has performed great services for totalitarian regimes all over the world. In the former Soviet Union, those who disagreed with the given wisdom were denoted psychotic and treated by your fellow shrinks. In Iran, dissidents are committed to psychiatric institutions which are nothing short of prisons of torture. Psychiatry has a reputation of enforcing the "party line" whether it is the Party of God, the Ba'athist Party in Syria, the Alliance of Builders of Islamic Iran Party.

So, your professional commitment to convention is not surprising. Name calling or accusations of mental illness do not advance your argument.
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#373247 - 04/13/12 03:30 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: BobKay]
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Registered: 01/19/11
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Loc: Quebec, Canada
so...medic8r, you believe that aluminum foil hats do work!


Edited by J. B. (04/13/12 03:31 PM)
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#373249 - 04/13/12 03:37 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: BobKay]
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Loc: Central NH
I know that there have been times in U.S. history where we've been divided and dissatisfied with the workings of government. But I don't believe that there's been a time when one side has lost all respect for the office of President as many have now. It's so over the top to think that Obama is Kenyan-born; a secret Muslim whose intent is to destroy the country. The stockpiling of guns when he took office. The accusation that he's trying to turn us into a Socialist country. Comparisons to Effen' Hitler, for God's sake.

I largely blame Fox News. In a country where freedom of speech is valued above almost everything else (rightfully so), I think it's responsible for dividing us at this point.

If you already have a belief....or just a suspicion.... and the "Fair and Balanced News" that you hear is totally one-sided, at once confirming your suspicions, adding to them, and denying your ability to "hear the other side of the argument"... How can anyone blame 50% of the country for becoming rabid haters and conspirator theorists? And yes, I know that MSNBC is ALSO not neutral in their reporting, but MSNBC doesn't have near the impact that Fox News has. I see Fox News as an organization that, as a whole and individually by commentators, has made a HUGE amount of money by fear mongering. Whip up the country, say some outrageous things, then put out a book and go on a speaking tour. "Confuse" the news reporting with the commentaries. Shout down anyone who disagrees and call them unpatriotic Socialists.

And the rest of the media is not Left.... it's just that Fox is so far off neutral as a point of reference that everything else looks off-kilter.

I don't agree with everything Obama has done.... nor any other politician.

But I think he was dealt a shi**y hand, and some Americans don't have the patience to realize gigantic problems don't come with overnight fixes...especially the economy. We were in two wars and on our way to a depression when he took office. The fact that people were upset that the economy wasn't perfect within the first six months of his Presidency shows that lack of patience.

I'm tired of it.

The world cheered when Obama took office. While he may have fallen short of the expectations that some had, that doesn't make him a monster either.
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#373254 - 04/13/12 04:38 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: MarkSJohnson]
casey01 Offline
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Registered: 07/03/08
Posts: 764
Loc: Toronto
I believe the late Walter Cronkite made it clear when discussing the state of the media in the US. "Unfortunately, it is no longer telling well researched stories that inform the public, it is now strictly opinion disguised as news". Essentially "talk radio" on television. Each political and ideological media outlet just now preach to their own choir. No wonder the public is so divided(and uninformed).

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#373256 - 04/13/12 04:47 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: BobKay]
medic8r Offline
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Registered: 02/05/06
Posts: 6382
Loc: Fredericksburg, Virginia
Exactly, Mark and casey01.

TV news used to not have to worry about generating income. Now they are all chasing ratings, and, unfortunately, it is drama and sensationalism that gets eyeballs on the TV and ears on the radio. So the media fans the flames and is part of the problem.
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#373264 - 04/13/12 05:35 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: BobKay]
2x6spds Offline
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
So, the Obama administration did not designate the Major Nidal Hasan Jihadi massacre a workplace accident? Obama is not intentionally engaging in demagogic divisive class warfare? Obama's energy policy did not result in the cancellation of almost all offshore licenses and licenses for drilling on Federal lands? Obama did not cancel the Keystone pipeline project? No free Obamaphones for welfare recipients? Obamacare wasn't represented as revenue neutral, but in actuality will costs Trillions of dollars? Obama is not prepared to gut the US military with mandatory cuts? Obama's NLRB did not sue Boeing to cease and desist from producing 787s in South Carolina until Boeing caved in to Union demands? Obama's Justice Department refused to even investigate the New Black Panthers Party interference with voters in Philadelphia? Justice Department hounding of Gibson Guitar company whose owner is a Republican supporter? Please, where've you been?

Really, what does your choice of news outlets have to do with this unless your outlet doesn't even cover these matters?
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#373267 - 04/13/12 05:41 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: BobKay]
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Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 10848
Loc: Central NH
Correct. None of my three trusted news outlets ever speak of these things.

Is it not possible that YOUR source of news DOES because it has a motive other than neutrality?

Edit:
You are making my point for me, as far as my post above. Thanks.


Edited by MarkSJohnson (04/13/12 05:41 PM)
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#373273 - 04/13/12 06:20 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: BobKay]
2x6spds Offline
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
No, Mark, these matters are covered because they are significant (in my opinion) and they occurred. The question you should be asking is why have the news outlets you watch not covered these stories?

We expect news outlets to cover news. Covering the news should not raise any questions unless you believe the stories are not true or not sufficiently significant to be covered.
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#373276 - 04/13/12 07:05 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: nickbuol]
fredk Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 7032
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: nickbuol
Heaven forbid that we try to show any level of compromise...

Ding winner. The difference between politics now and 20 years ago is not the rhetoric. That's always been there. It is that, at the end of the day, nobody is willing to compromise so we can move forward.

Peter. Can you cook a decent strip of bacon on hellfire? Because if you can, I'm in like Flynn...
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