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#388651 - 01/21/13 07:25 PM Re: For all the Pilots / WWII Buffs . . . [Re: Amie]
Amie Offline
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No autopilot indeed! It must take a lot of training to deal with the shifting weight of all that water - is it a lot more difficult than regular flying?
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#388674 - 01/22/13 01:25 PM Re: For all the Pilots / WWII Buffs . . . [Re: Amie]
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Fire fighting is indeed an extremely hazardous vocation, especially in the mountains.

The flying is all at low altitude in nasty turbulence (often caused by the fire itself) in poor visibility in smoke. Those factors combined with picking up water over glassy water (no depth perception) & operating in constricted areas in mountainous terrain makes it very challenging requiring outstanding manual piloting skills. Furthermore, rapidly dropping tons of water dramatically upsets the aircraft's flying characteristics that must be immediately corrected.

The Canadair machine is purpose built for this role & it therefore very manoeuverable. The most amazing aircraft to watch are the large ones that have been retired from their normal role & modified for the job - Martin Mars, P3s, Hercules, DC6s, DC10s, B747s, etc. They are not known for their agility & require a amazing skills to safely do their job. Locally here in BC, ConAir in Abbotsford has been modifying & flying these type of machines for decades. I have a couple of ex-military friends who fly for them as they didn't want to do the often boring airline type of job. I really admire these crews.

All you wanted to know about these machines:

http://www.conair.ca/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_firefighting

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#388706 - 01/23/13 06:42 PM Re: For all the Pilots / WWII Buffs . . . [Re: exlabdriver]
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Wow, the photo gallery on the Conair site is great. Thanks for sharing that link.
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#388715 - 01/23/13 10:41 PM Re: For all the Pilots / WWII Buffs . . . [Re: cb919]
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Originally Posted By: cb919
Wow, the photo gallery on the Conair site is great. Thanks for sharing that link.

I can't find John Malkovich anywhere.
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#388716 - 01/23/13 10:48 PM Re: For all the Pilots / WWII Buffs . . . [Re: Amie]
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That's 'cause he got smashed with a piledriver, baby!
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#388726 - 01/24/13 04:41 AM Re: For all the Pilots / WWII Buffs . . . [Re: exlabdriver]
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Quote:
In 2002 an Ontario CL-415 crew was able to refill 100 times within a 4 hour mission, dumping an astounding 162,000 US gallons (613,240 l) or 1,350,000 pounds (612 t) of water on a fire near Dryden Ontario.
- yowza! Lots of interesting info - thanks!

(And I loved that the Wikipedia article debunked the diver-scooped-up-and-dropped-on-a-fire urban legend!)
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#388730 - 01/24/13 01:12 PM Re: For all the Pilots / WWII Buffs . . . [Re: Amie]
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Below is a vid that again was sent by another pilot friend of the now infamous B787 Dream Liner.

As you can see, it is totally automated - great as long as you don't get BSOD, ha! Flying this beast is the polar opposite of the forest fire fighting type of flying where almost everything is manual control.

Once they get the Lithium Battery problem fixed, it'll be quite a machine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s9ynMnPdCQ

TAM

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#403507 - 04/23/14 11:32 PM Re: For all the Pilots / WWII Buffs . . . [Re: Amie]
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Resurrecting an old thread.

I came across this nostalgic video on YT (definitely not HD, ha!) that portrays my previous life as a young & crazy guy at Chatham, NB where I was based in the mid 70s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnU-AIDoj-0

Hmmmm, as I'm typing this, we are getting a minor earthquake. My chair & window blinds are rocking laterally...

TAM

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#403520 - 04/24/14 08:01 AM Re: For all the Pilots / WWII Buffs . . . [Re: Amie]
Murph Offline
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Registered: 10/05/06
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Loc: PEI, Canada
Still there Tam? I hope all is well. You're pretty well north of Vancouver where I'm reading it hit so hopefully it was just a bit of a shake for you.
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#403526 - 04/24/14 12:12 PM Re: For all the Pilots / WWII Buffs . . . [Re: Amie]
exlabdriver Offline
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Registered: 09/07/11
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Yup, still here - M6.6 I guess.

I felt it on the concrete slab downstairs but my wife upstairs didn't feel anything. Neighbours across the street felt it too.

The epicenter was about 100 miles from here & offshore a bit so it didn't damage too much farther south...

TAM

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