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#380290 - 07/18/12 10:14 PM DAC for Headphones and Audiobytes
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As per my Headphone recommendation thread, I now have a set of Grado SR60 that I plan to use with the PC that also has the Audiobytes hooked up. Couple of things however:

Issue: I've got a call into Axiom on this one, but when I plug the Headphones into the socket on the Audiobytes flying remote it cuts the output to only the drivers on the speakers (but not the tweeter) when the Vol is between say 0-90%, at 90-100% the sound is cut to the speakers. I'm sure this is not right.

Apparent Vol: The apparent Vol on the Grado's is not as "loud" as I may want even when the Audiobyte Flying Remote is at 100%. I tested also with a phone in case it was related to the issue above and it was about the same so I'm guessing that it is just the low power from the PC. My conclusion is there is no amplification of the headphone out on the Audiobyte flying remote and hence if I want more power I'll need something else to boost the signal

External DAC: If this is the case I'm guessing a need something like this - http://www.addictedtoaudio.com.au/Audiogd-NFB121-DAC-and-Headphone-amplifier that supports both a line level out that I can feed to the Audiobyte Amp + a variable headphone output that I can plug the Grados into. I was also recommended this if wanting to increase the apparent vol from portable devices http://www.addictedtoaudio.com.au/Fiio-E05-McKinley-Headphone-Amplifier.

Does this make sense or have I missed something?

Thanks
Nathan
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#380292 - 07/18/12 10:30 PM Re: DAC for Headphones and Audiobytes [Re: jmone]
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Nathan, the SR60i delivers plenty of volume with any properly operating source. No separate DAC/amplifier should be needed. Continue trying to get the Audiobyte issue resolved with Axiom.
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#380296 - 07/18/12 10:54 PM Re: DAC for Headphones and Audiobytes [Re: jmone]
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I hope you are right but I get the same level of "loudness" if I plug the Grado's directly into the PC. I tried a laptop and the vol from this was significantly louder so I'm still guessing it is more likely related to the output on the PC's Mobo Headphone socket.

EDIT: Also tried the reciever and it obviously has no issues driving the Grado's louder than is comfortable and using this as a comparison I'd guess the PC/Audiobytes at 100% sounds the same as -25DB on the receiver (which I had calibrated with a SPL metre some time ago).

That said it is a shame there is no amplification on the Audiobytes Headphone socket....as the flying remote is pre the amp.


Edited by jmone (07/18/12 11:09 PM)
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#380321 - 07/19/12 01:08 AM Re: DAC for Headphones and Audiobytes [Re: jmone]
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FYI - Purchased on of these anyway and will see how it goes - http://www.fiio.com.cn/product/index.aspx?ID=37&MenuID=020301
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#380325 - 07/19/12 03:28 AM Re: DAC for Headphones and Audiobytes [Re: jmone]
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Unquestionably, that'll work well. But the headphone output on that PC must be defective if it can't even drive an SR60i to a loud level. No added amplification by the Audiobyte should be needed.
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#380327 - 07/19/12 04:13 AM Re: DAC for Headphones and Audiobytes [Re: jmone]
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I should say that at 100% it can drive it to a comfortable level but I agree that it seems odd. The DAC should give me a better quality output as well. It may also be able to replace the Axiom Flying remote.... We shall see I guess one it arrives.
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#380328 - 07/19/12 07:34 AM Re: DAC for Headphones and Audiobytes [Re: jmone]
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There has to be a setting that is set low somewhere. Those headphones plugged straight into the computer should drive those headphones to ear bleeding volumes. Using this method I find the main computer sound settings and the media player volume settings "work with each other".
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#380331 - 07/19/12 08:19 AM Re: DAC for Headphones and Audiobytes [Re: jmone]
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Just to clarify, take the flying remote totally out of the chain. It's just screwing up the output and perhaps even compromising sound quality.

Plug the headphone directly to the computer, so the chain is just the computer and the headphone. Then make adjustments on the volume through the main computer volume setting and the media player.
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#380381 - 07/19/12 04:52 PM Re: DAC for Headphones and Audiobytes [Re: jmone]
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Thanks - I've given these suggestions a go already and found similar vol levels....so it could just be the audio out on the ASUS P6T MB is just low. With some luck the DAC will be hear today and I will have some time to test all of this correctly over the next couple of days.

FYI - Brent is going to check out the behavior of the Flying Remote and will get back.
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#380397 - 07/19/12 10:25 PM Re: DAC for Headphones and Audiobytes [Re: jmone]
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Got the DAC / Headphone Amp. For a nooB on this stuff, but I'm pretty impressed with the FiiO E10 2ch DAC (uses a Wolfson 8740) and what it can do for under $80. It just plugged in and worked (no SW just a Windows Driver that auto installed). Key features:
- 2ch, 24bit, 96KHZ
- Headphone Amp / Vol on the front (with a Bass Boost switch if you like that sort of thing)
- High / Low gain switch on the bottom
- Line Out, Coax Out on the back + USB in

It seems to be a big step up from the inbuilt sound card output both for feeding the 2.1 Ch Amp and also for the Headphones. Now to see how stable it is over time!
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