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#383444 - 09/28/12 08:58 AM Sounded like Neal had a great idea until...
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until I read on and realized that I would have to buy another media player.
Neal Young's venture to deliver quality audio

I would have been interested in re-purchasing some of my music library in uncompressed formats, but I'm not going to buy a new portable media player to do it. Sorry Neal.

Now if the media ends up to be playable in my home system, we may have something.
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#383445 - 09/28/12 09:00 AM Re: Sounded like Neal had a great idea until... [Re: Murph]
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Which will undoubtedly come with horrendous software and a worse UI. Seen this sort of junk before...
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#383481 - 09/29/12 09:07 AM Re: Sounded like Neal had a great idea until... [Re: Murph]
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He doesn't even have a good idea to start with:
http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

If you want quality audio, buy CDs that are well mixed/mastered, and rip them yourself to a lossless format your current player does support. And get a better pair of headphones.
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#383512 - 09/30/12 10:25 PM Re: Sounded like Neal had a great idea until... [Re: ClubNeon]
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I found another post that takes on the bit-depth portion of the hi-res audio debate. I found it quite interesting. http://www.head-fi.org/t/415361/24bit-vs-16bit-the-myth-exploded
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#383520 - 10/01/12 08:10 AM Re: Sounded like Neal had a great idea until... [Re: ClubNeon]
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Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
He doesn't even have a good idea to start with:
http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

If you want quality audio, buy CDs that are well mixed/mastered, and rip them yourself to a lossless format your current player does support. And get a better pair of headphones.


True enough. I was assuming he was also going to maybe get permission to remaster from the original masters. However, now I realize this was just my optimism and lazy skimming of the article.
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#383523 - 10/01/12 09:13 AM Re: Sounded like Neal had a great idea until... [Re: pmbuko]
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Originally Posted By: pmbuko
I found another post that takes on the bit-depth portion of the hi-res audio debate. I found it quite interesting. http://www.head-fi.org/t/415361/24bit-vs-16bit-the-myth-exploded


I've also seen that write up. IMO, this is a case where the theory doesn't reflect the reality. I have been listening to quite a bit of HD music lately and have even compared CDs I have ripped at 320Kb mp3 to HD versions. I do notice a difference. Another consideration is that when you get an HD version of an album, many times these are remastered from the original tape.
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#383525 - 10/01/12 11:50 AM Re: Sounded like Neal had a great idea until... [Re: Murph]
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You're last thought is on the mark. Even CDs that are bundled with the DVD-A version of an album were usually from different masters.

The only way to judge is to take a 24-bit wave, and dither it down to 16-bits and compare those two. I've done that, and can't tell the difference. In fact taking the 24-bit wave, encoding it with Lame using the "extreme" preset, and then turning it back into a 16-bit wave, I can't tell the difference from the original.

We don't need better distribution, we need better mastering.
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#383526 - 10/01/12 12:10 PM Re: Sounded like Neal had a great idea until... [Re: Murph]
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In fact, here's a test I made for someone on another forum who was claiming to have golden ears...they never replied to me.

http://www.scuzzyeye.com/tests/track-01.wav
http://www.scuzzyeye.com/tests/track-02.wav
http://www.scuzzyeye.com/tests/track-03.wav
http://www.scuzzyeye.com/tests/track-04.wav

One of these files is the original 24-bit version. One has been truncated to 16-bit (not even dithered). One has been converted to a 320 kbps CBR MP3, and back into a 24-bit wave using MADplay. And another an "extreme" VBR MP3, then simply decoded with Lame to a 16-bit wave. They've all been padded back up to 24-bits, so the file sizes are the same.

Tell me which is which.
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#383527 - 10/01/12 12:35 PM Re: Sounded like Neal had a great idea until... [Re: Murph]
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I gave them a listen and cannot tell a difference over my Grado SR-60 headphones.
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#383530 - 10/01/12 01:42 PM Re: Sounded like Neal had a great idea until... [Re: medic8r]
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Same here. I just send this to a friend who's trying to convince me otherwise. smile

EDIT: The friend says track 1 is the original. How'd he do? (Feel free to PM me if you don't want to reveal anything here.)
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