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#384207 - 10/16/12 01:09 PM
Re: On wall vs On/in wall
[Re: Jon_Webb]
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Registered: 11/18/11
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For best sound reproduction, in wall if at all possible.
On wall speakers are for space (depth) limited applications. Since the internal volume of the enclosure is limited and not optimal, you will not get the best possible sound. It's still going to sound very good but not as good as it could be.
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#384220 - 10/16/12 06:52 PM
Re: On wall vs On/in wall
[Re: Jon_Webb]
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Registered: 01/29/04
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I've compared my M22's to my onwall 22's side by side and they both sound very similar in the mid's and highs, however, the regular M22's did do better in the lower bass frequencies. This would be expected with the larger enclosure.
However, once you include a sub in the mix and have a proper crossover setting, there is little difference.
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#384254 - 10/17/12 12:27 PM
Re: On wall vs On/in wall
[Re: Jon_Webb]
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Registered: 08/05/09
Posts: 5405
Loc: Kansas City, Missouri
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I tend to disagree. I believe that there is a hole in the upper bass, that the VP160 helped fill in nicely. Can't really blame that one on the room acoustics, because I'd have the same hole with the VP160.
This was audibly noticeable using the Police's blu-ray concert called Certifiable. Once the VP160 was installed, the upper bass notes that I couldn't hear well before were now there. So, with that said, if a VP160 is at all possible, I'd go with one of those. I bought an in-cabinet model, and installed it below my tv, flush with the wall, pointed slightly upward. But I was lucky that there was a big cavity in the wall there. Those are about 15 inches deep.
Now, to be fair, the Axiom speakers sound wonderful, even with this small hole. You probably wouldn't notice it until you go looking for it. Probably, the only way to get the best sound is to go with M60 and up quality speakers. There will always be some compromises made with smaller boxed speakers, regardless of brand. I doubt that, for the price, you could do better than the Axioms. So, it's not a flaw with Axiom, but, more than likely, a characteristic of a bookshelf speaker that's designed to play as flat and uncolored a response as possible, without growing too large in size.
Anyway, that's my thoughts and experience, YMMV.
Edited by CatBrat (10/17/12 01:06 PM)
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#384309 - 10/18/12 08:41 AM
Re: On wall vs On/in wall
[Re: Jon_Webb]
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Registered: 12/16/07
Posts: 224
Loc: Orlando, FL
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To the OP, Recently looked at the same thing for an upcoming purchase. I am opting for in/on walls. Compare Axiom's specs between in/on wall versus on wall and you will see the in/onwall covers a slightly larger range of freq.
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#384350 - 10/18/12 09:10 PM
Re: On wall vs On/in wall
[Re: cb919]
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local
Registered: 12/16/07
Posts: 224
Loc: Orlando, FL
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Yep, just saw the In/On Walls are 20% off. Just placed my order.
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#385930 - 11/20/12 04:54 PM
Re: On wall vs On/in wall
[Re: Jon_Webb]
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Registered: 04/01/03
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Loc: Los Angeles
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I'm quite happy with my M22 in/on hybrids.
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