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#384665 - 10/25/12 12:30 AM Re: bi wiring [Re: brwsaw]
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What size room do you have them in and what is the distance you sit from them?
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#384669 - 10/25/12 07:05 AM Re: bi wiring [Re: brwsaw]
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Originally Posted By: brwsaw
What size room do you have them in and what is the distance you sit from them?


Approximately 610 sq ft (5000 cubic ft); my listening position is 12 feet away.

PS I assumed the question is for me smile
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#384674 - 10/25/12 09:25 AM Re: bi wiring [Re: brwsaw]
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At least you're biamping and not biwiring, eh?
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#384692 - 10/25/12 12:35 PM Re: bi wiring [Re: AdrianD]
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You have the same listening distance but I have 1/2 the cu ft to fill.
What do you think this will mean in overall value or sound quality at lower volumes, say 90-95 db?
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#384708 - 10/25/12 01:48 PM Re: bi wiring [Re: brwsaw]
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Originally Posted By: Ken.C
At least you're biamping and not biwiring, eh?
Right; I do think there is a difference between the two. I should've made that clear, since I believe this thread is about bi-wiring. My bad.


Originally Posted By: brwsaw
You have the same listening distance but I have 1/2 the cu ft to fill.
What do you think this will mean in overall value or sound quality at lower volumes, say 90-95 db?

Honestly, I don't think it will make a difference, depending on the amp(s) you have. If your amp is decent in terms of power, you may not gain much if any.
As for value, I also don't think it's worth; I did it because I already had the amps for HT purpose and for a while a tried the bi-amping just to see if makes a difference.

For an almost guaranteed improvement you'll have to go with active bi-amping (bypass the speaker's crossover).

As this is (as you can see) a subjective matter, the best would be to try it for yourself if you can. Only then you can decide if there is difference, and if it is... if it's worth the money (remember the cables in the calculations).
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#384715 - 10/25/12 03:34 PM Re: bi wiring [Re: AdrianD]
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Thanks for the reply.
I'm using a single receiver a this time and I won't be going to separates until I've moved into my next home.
As for bi-wiring and bi-amping you've all helped me understand that there's no benefit while I'm too cheap to upgrade and too lazy to do my own home work.
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#384722 - 10/25/12 09:26 PM Re: bi wiring [Re: brwsaw]
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It all depends how crazy you want to go; you'll be very surprised to see how much some people spent for only a very small gain. And most think it's worth it!
Audio is not a product, but a process; there is no definitive "ultimate" setup. A lot of people are very happy with MP3 on an iPod and a boom box; some others are spending $90k on a pair of speakers and they keep changing stuff because it still doesn't sound "right" to them.
This is the reason why we see cables selling for tens of thousands and things like the Blackbody ambient field conditioner, that goes for $1300. It will eliminate "near field electromagnetic (EM) interaction" between all your devices and improve sound quality; that's what the manufacturer says.
The secret is to know where to stop, and to trust your ears more than any review. I'm not saying reviews are not good, but in the end you are the "judge, jury and executioner" and it's your money to spend.
In any case, if you've got even a fraction more knowledge then what you knew yesterday... it's all that matters.
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#384745 - 10/26/12 04:51 PM Re: bi wiring [Re: AdrianD]
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Hello

i found links like:

http://www.audioholics.com/education/fre...ing-vs-biwiring

http://www.chuckhawks.com/bi-wire_bi-amp.htm

http://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/160189.html

as i read it:
There are no any negative answer about bi amping.
Bi wiring one amp with Speacker A+B output instead on each speackers Is silly.

Vertical amping is to try before doing more advance tweack with active amp+ external crossover that breack warranty most of the time.
Forums users who tryed it may notice some change in both case.

Adrian D:
bi wiring 4 mono blocs is really different from what i tryed with my hk675 integrated stereo amp:
with other speackers capable of bi amping ; it's a silly thing i did on my own to cut speacker cables in four equal lenght for no improvment.
If i was using 4 monoblocs like you or either two amps it could be ok but definitively it's a no no to waste cable on bi wiring if not used on a passive/ bi amp setup.


One monobloc per speackers:
I will maybe make a move for that solution even if it require a preamp compared to an integrated amp.

For my usage it should be ok.

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#384952 - 10/31/12 07:58 PM Re: bi wiring [Re: Adelin]
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Originally Posted By: Adelin
Hello

i found links like:

http://www.audioholics.com/education/fre...ing-vs-biwiring

http://www.chuckhawks.com/bi-wire_bi-amp.htm

http://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/160189.html

as i read it:
There are no any negative answer about bi amping.
Bi wiring one amp with Speacker A+B output instead on each speackers Is silly.

Vertical amping is to try before doing more advance tweack with active amp+ external crossover that breack warranty most of the time.
Forums users who tryed it may notice some change in both case.

Adrian D:
bi wiring 4 mono blocs is really different from what i tryed with my hk675 integrated stereo amp:
with other speackers capable of bi amping ; it's a silly thing i did on my own to cut speacker cables in four equal lenght for no improvment.
If i was using 4 monoblocs like you or either two amps it could be ok but definitively it's a no no to waste cable on bi wiring if not used on a passive/ bi amp setup.


One monobloc per speackers:
I will maybe make a move for that solution even if it require a preamp compared to an integrated amp.

For my usage it should be ok.


All true; I apologize for my rant as it didn't really pertain to you question.
The only benefit (albeit a "silly" one as you put it) for bi-wiring speakers to the same amp is the double physical connection; in some cases like pets, kids, it may come in handy. Other than that, I agree: no other benefit.
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