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#387515 - 12/31/12 10:12 AM Re: 32"-40" TV advice [Re: Adrian]
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it depends on screen size, viewing distance and quality of your eyesight.

I've always liked this chart, which suggests that - for a screen that size - you'd probably only be able to see a difference if viewing closer than about 8 feet.

http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/
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#387540 - 12/31/12 05:13 PM Re: 32"-40" TV advice [Re: Adrian]
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Lot of LED/LCD's can still have the soap opera effect too which ruins movies. Thou usually that is a setting you can turn off.
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#387541 - 12/31/12 05:16 PM Re: 32"-40" TV advice [Re: Adrian]
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I hear a lot about this soap opera effect, but have never noticed it. My problem is noticing all the movement problems. I'd probably accept the soap opera effect as an improvement.

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#387560 - 01/01/13 06:14 AM Re: 32"-40" TV advice [Re: Adrian]
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this is the first time i hear about the "soap opera effect".
anyone care to explain?
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#387565 - 01/01/13 08:36 AM Re: 32"-40" TV advice [Re: Adrian]
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The Soap Opera Effect is when the TV changes the media....killing off characters, making some pregnant, making some have Amnesia and making pretty much everyone devious!

OK, really, it's when a film-based media has the look of being shot in video instead. I've seen it a few times since buying an LCD TV, but have since changed the "Tru-Motion" settings to OFF. It has to do with frame rate on LCD TVs that are able to use 120MHz, 240MHz, etc. motion settings.

Some day, I'm going to learn to use all the features on my 1 year-old TV! smile
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#387566 - 01/01/13 09:21 AM Re: 32"-40" TV advice [Re: Adrian]
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I got the Thx modes calibrated on my TV, then I started noticing all the motion problems. Only the ISF modes on it has the ability to turn on motion smoother. It's a plasma. I tend to watch things, especially animation, in the uncalibrated ISF modes instead so I can enjoy the motion smoother quality. Much less blur on pans and less ratchety movement. It can be so bad on some action movies as to make action scenes unwatchable. such as the battle scene in the cave of Fellowship of the Ring. My calibrator only thought I'd need the THX modes like 99% of everybody else. Going to cost me $550 to get him back out to do the rest. He's expensive, but he's the only one I know that is good and has the equipment to do 3D as well. All others I've talked with won't do 3D.

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#387575 - 01/01/13 12:51 PM Re: 32"-40" TV advice [Re: Adrian]
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Mark, on my tv it automatically switches (if set for that) to "24p" for movies and that will not produce artifacs like jerkiness.
On video programs, 24p switches off and then images are also smooth.
I've never had problems with fast moving scenes.

Could these be called Anti Soap Opera Effect ?
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#387578 - 01/01/13 02:29 PM Re: 32"-40" TV advice [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
120MHz, 240MHz


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#387581 - 01/01/13 02:33 PM Re: 32"-40" TV advice [Re: Adrian]
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Oh, go eat more birthday cake! smile
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#387713 - 01/03/13 02:20 PM Re: 32"-40" TV advice [Re: J. B.]
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Originally Posted By: J. B.
Mark, on my tv it automatically switches (if set for that) to "24p" for movies and that will not produce artifacs like jerkiness.
On video programs, 24p switches off and then images are also smooth.
I've never had problems with fast moving scenes.

Could these be called Anti Soap Opera Effect ?


I believe the soap opera effect is caused when the TV creates extra frames to match it's native refresh rate from material that has less. The result is a crisper image with less judder. The problem is movies (film) are mastered differently than video (TV) shows in that they are usually less detailed and smoother partially due to the fewer frames per second. This technology make everything looking like soap opera TV.

AFAIK all LCD's have this problem because they have fixed refresh rates while plasma's do not. It seems that some newer LCD's have gotten more sophisticated about fixing this issue but when I tour Best Buy or Costco I still see many TVs with the soap opera effect. It's not caused by the LCD technology per se, it's the software in the TV which can usually be turned off.
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