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#387185 - 12/22/12 08:18 PM Receiver died. Advice on a comparable unit pls.
Da_Gimp_Pimp Offline
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Registered: 06/23/07
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Hey guys, I require your assistance with picking out a new receiver for my bedroom, as my 3801 suddenly stopped working two weeks ago (I've tried resetting the microprocessor as per the instructions in the user manual, but the unit fails to turn on; the standby light just flashes continuously.)

I've only ever had Denon receivers, but I'm open to other manufacturers. I've taken a good look around, and I'm having a difficult time finding one that has comparable two channel output (140 X 2 @ 8 ohms) that isn't expensive. I do like to crank my music for extended periods of time, thus the reason I want something with tantamount wattage.

Also, I don't need stuff like Airplay, Sirius radio or 3D compatibility etc. Although, given that the TV in my bedroom is a passive 3D set, having a receiver that works in concert with it may prove to be beneficial in the future.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.
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#387187 - 12/22/12 08:34 PM Re: Receiver died. Advice on a comparable unit pls. [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
chesseroo Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4829
Loc: western canada
Go with a lesser receiver and add an external used amp.
I bought an Anthem MCA 20 (stereo amp) and MCA 30 (3 channel amp) for about $250 and $400.
With a $400 receiver to act as a pre-amp, you are easily covered for power and features for under $800.
Less if you get a used receiver.

Audiogon and Canuck Audio Mart are good places to start for used gear.
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#387188 - 12/22/12 09:36 PM Re: Receiver died. Advice on a comparable unit pls. [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
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Registered: 05/11/02
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Cam, the actual specs for the 3801 were 105 watts into 8 ohms and 140 watts into 6 ohms, a typical increase into the lower impedance. Also keep in mind that the difference between say 100 watts and 150 watts is only 1.76dB in maximum sound level(e.g., 105dB and 106.76dB at brief peaks). Any amplifiers in the 100-150 watt area can be considered "comparable" as far as power output goes, so don't pay too much attention to those numbers.

Power shouldn't be a major consideration, but of course new receivers have updated features in comparison to the 3801. I'd suggest that you consider units such as the Denon 2312 or Onkyo 709. For buyers in the U.S., factory refurbished units from sellers such as Accessories4less would be suggested, but they don't ship to Canada. Canadian prices remain somewhat mysterious to me, but relatively reasonable deals should be available.
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#387203 - 12/23/12 01:15 PM Re: Receiver died. Advice on a comparable unit pls. [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
CatBrat Offline
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Registered: 08/05/09
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From my experience, so far, the Pioneer gives you many more options to tweak the sound, whereas with Denon, your stuck with what Audyssy provides for you. It may be that the people that like Denon either turn Audyssey off, or their room works well with it.

You see a lot of complaints of Axiom speakers being overly bright in other forums. Now I'm of the opinion that might be complaints against Audyssey misdirected to Axiom.

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#387206 - 12/23/12 04:24 PM Re: Receiver died. Advice on a comparable unit pls. [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
exlabdriver Offline
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Registered: 09/07/11
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Cat, you might have something there; however, I have my HT with M22's/QS4s, Sony CC & 2 Velo 10" subs calibrated with the Audyssey in my Denon AVR in a medium sized, irregularly shaped room. It sounds just fine to me & certainly not bright nor fatiguing by any means.

My 2 audio-only systems, one with M2s/EP-400 & the other with M3s are run just flat. Again not overly bright to me in my setting.

Once a myth or rumour gets started in the age of the net, it's impossible to quash it & the herd piles on. I see the same about the horns in Klipsches, but during my demos of them, I never found them to be as harsh or fatiguing as some people accuse them of being.

Maybe it's because I've been around screeching jet engines all my life. Each to his own I guess...

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#387207 - 12/23/12 05:31 PM Re: Receiver died. Advice on a comparable unit pls. [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
Da_Gimp_Pimp Offline
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Registered: 06/23/07
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Thanks for the suggestions and information, guys. I'll let you know what I end up with (new or used).

Yeah, John, I was reading the dynamic power rating for two channels driven at 8 ohms.
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#387208 - 12/23/12 06:06 PM Re: Receiver died. Advice on a comparable unit pls. [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
Da_Gimp_Pimp Offline
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Registered: 06/23/07
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Loc: Sitting down somewhere
Here's another opinion that might be more reasonable. Seeing that I need a new receiver, and I currently have a 3808CI in my home theater. Wouldn't it make more sense to get a 3313CI and swap them? It looks to me like the 3313CI is Denon's new equivalent (model wise) to the 3808CI. Albeit I'm quite confused how it's way cheaper. Am I missing something?

Thanks
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#387209 - 12/23/12 06:24 PM Re: Receiver died. Advice on a comparable unit pls. [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
fredk Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 7047
Loc: Canada
The 3808 was a made in Japan model with (supposedly) better parts. I don't know what Denon makes in Japan these days, but that may account for some of the price difference.
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#387212 - 12/23/12 09:23 PM Re: Receiver died. Advice on a comparable unit pls. [Re: fredk]
Ray3 Offline
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Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 2842
Loc: Rochester, NY
I have stayed with Denon for years. This is an outstanding thread that covers all things Denon receiver for 2113 . He does this every year.


Edited by Ray3 (12/23/12 09:25 PM)

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#387220 - 12/23/12 10:50 PM Re: Receiver died. Advice on a comparable unit pls. [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
Da_Gimp_Pimp Offline
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Registered: 06/23/07
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Thanks, Ray! Good ole' batpig. Sadly it doesn't look like the 3313 will drive a 4 ohm load. At least I haven't been able to find documentation confirming this. They only mention 8 and 6 here.
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