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#51509 - 07/06/04 09:58 PM m60 ports
richeydog Offline
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Registered: 05/24/04
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Loc: Fresno, CA
I'm considering upgrading towards the m60's and wondering how far from the wall should they be placed without sounding boomy, if thats the correct term? I've got 16" of space with my m22's, so theoretically if I put the m60's in the same spot I'd get roughly half that distance(9"), due to the deeper cabinet. Would that be ok? Please share your thoughts. Thanks, Mike.

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#51510 - 07/06/04 10:05 PM Re: m60 ports
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Loc: wilmette illinois
my m60s are about 6 inches from the wall and they seem fine. The m60s have a front port as well which helps reduce boominess.

hope that helps.


by the way, the upgrade from the m22s to the m60s is well worth it.
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#51511 - 07/06/04 10:14 PM Re: m60 ports
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Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
9" should be fine. Axiom's resident expert, Alan, has said that you can have the rear firing ports as close as 3 or 4 inches from the wall behind the speaker and still be OK. However, farther out is probably more desirable.
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#51512 - 07/06/04 11:53 PM Re: m60 ports
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Registered: 05/01/03
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Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
My M60s sound best about four feet from the wall, about a foot clear of the front of our niche. Placing them closer to the wall seems to affect the soundstage negatively, but not a big deal.

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#51513 - 07/07/04 06:18 PM Wow, 4 feet from the wall??
Todd Offline
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Registered: 05/22/04
Posts: 86
You must have a huge room to listen in. Mine are about a foot from the back wall. I have adjusted my speakers continuously. I think I now have what I want.

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#51514 - 07/07/04 06:31 PM Re: Wow, 4 feet from the wall??
mhorgel Offline
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Registered: 10/02/03
Posts: 438
Loc: Louisville, KY
Mine are approximately 12-14 inches from the wall and they sound great. This distance works out so that the front of the speakers are flush with my TV screen (a very deep RPTV). Both my M60's are at least 3 feet from the side walls, this distance is improtant also. You don't want them too close to the corner. BTW, on well recorded material (the Alan Parsons "I, Robot" HDCD, for instance) my soundstage is considerably outside the speakers, sometimes approaching a 180 degree arc of sound in front of me.

Mark
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#51515 - 07/07/04 09:48 PM Re: m60 ports
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Registered: 05/24/04
Posts: 1201
Loc: Fresno, CA
Thanks guys for your help. A few minutes earlier I spoke with brent on the phone and placed an order for a pair of black m60ti's. Should be here no later than monday.
I was thinking of getting the m50's, due to their lower price, but the power of the Visa overwhelmed me! No what Brent really said that since I like the sound of my m22's then the m60's were a no brainer. Since I have a strong taste in classical music I'm expecting these to sound excellent for two channel listening.

Also as upgrades are concerned, they will pay for return shipping on my m22's. Good deal. I'm sure you already knew that, but a tidbit for those who don't.

P.S. How do you post that damn smiley face,wink,etc.. in the middle or end of your sentences? I can only get it to post at the beginning of the post. Thanks, Mike.
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#51516 - 07/07/04 10:37 PM Re: m60 ports
Ajax Offline
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6251
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
When typing your post, at the spot where you want it to appear, just type, without the spaces inside the brackets:

[ smile ] =
[ wink ] =
[ laugh ] =
[ mad ] =
[ blush ] =
[ crazy ] =
[ frown ] =
[ tongue ]=
[ cool ] =
[ shocked]=

You'll find more good stuff, including how to do this, here.
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#51517 - 07/07/04 11:38 PM Re: m60 ports
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
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Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
richeydog, the M60s are awesome for classical music. I am CERTAIN you will be stoked.

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#51518 - 07/08/04 01:10 AM Re: Ajax
richeydog Offline
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Registered: 05/24/04
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Loc: Fresno, CA
You mean like this, and like this, .
Thanks Ajax.
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#51519 - 07/08/04 01:21 AM Re: Ajax
Ajax Offline
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Registered: 12/30/03
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Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
De Nada.
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#51520 - 07/08/04 01:22 AM Re: BigWill
richeydog Offline
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Registered: 05/24/04
Posts: 1201
Loc: Fresno, CA
If you say stoked then stoked I will be. I'm definitely not a historical buff regarding classical and other eras(baroque,etc.), but I'm just slowly beginning to broaden my collection starting with the naxos label. Naxos low prices combined with very good recordings are keeping me satisfied. That is until I get my hands on a high rez player with good bass management capabilities(denon2200).
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#51521 - 07/08/04 09:23 AM Re: BigWill
Daphoid Offline
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Registered: 02/23/04
Posts: 324
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Guys regular emoticons work too, without the space:

: ) =
: D =
: ( =

You guys must have huge rooms, my m60's are toed in a bit, but the closest corner is only like a inch from the wall, if I move them anymore they're farthed then the center channel, and also look like they're out really far.

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#51522 - 07/08/04 02:43 PM Re: BigWill
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
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Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
You know, all this talk about distance from the wall reminds me of a point I wanted to make to someone awhile ago, but didn't, regarding the thinness of DLPs, plasmas, etc... vs the relative enormity of CRT RPTVs.

The M60s are pretty deep and benefit from spacing from the wall behind. Why bother spending big bucks for thinner technology when your speakers stick out 2+ feet?

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#51523 - 07/08/04 03:41 PM Re: BigWill
Ajax Offline
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6251
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
On reason is because I live alone. My 43 inch DLP weighs 67 pounds, which is 8 pounds less than the 24 inch CRT it replaced. I can move it by myself! Tarzan


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#51524 - 07/08/04 06:27 PM Re: BigWill
mwc Offline
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Registered: 07/21/02
Posts: 958
Loc: Texas(DFW)..that country to th...
In reply to:

My 43 inch DLP weighs 67 pounds, which is 8 pounds less than the 24 inch CRT it replaced. I can move it by myself!




Ain't it great! My 61" DLP weighs 108 pounds and can easily be moved by two people.
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#51525 - 07/08/04 06:39 PM Re: BigWill
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Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16280
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
Oh yeah! Well, my, um, TV swivels this way and that!
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#51526 - 07/08/04 06:42 PM Re: BigWill
mwc Offline
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Swivel is a nice feature.
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#51527 - 07/08/04 07:30 PM Re: BigWill
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Loc: NoVA
Yeah? Well, well, um.... errr..... my TV..... um..... shows moving color picture! Yeah, that's it.
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#51528 - 07/08/04 09:59 PM Re: Someone other than BW
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
Sorry, that title was annoying me.

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#51529 - 07/09/04 04:14 PM Re: Let's all annoy BigWill
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what are you talking about?
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#51530 - 07/09/04 04:18 PM Re: Maybe he'll get real pi$$ed!!
bigjohn Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 3016
Loc: San Angelo, TX
i dont know?

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#51531 - 07/09/04 06:17 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
Whaddya get when you cross a Texan and a noCal native?

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#51532 - 07/09/04 06:25 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
pmbuko Offline
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I'm not actually a noCal native. I was born in Westwood.
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#51533 - 07/09/04 06:29 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
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Registered: 02/03/04
Posts: 715
Loc: Seattle WA
I'm from the mid-west (live in SF), but would like to hear the punchline!

jr
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#51534 - 07/09/04 06:30 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
pmbuko Offline
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punchline's in the title. Not so good now that you've seen it, eh?
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#51535 - 07/09/04 06:31 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
Ken.C Offline
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Loc: NoVA
A fascist flower child?
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#51536 - 07/09/04 06:39 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
pmbuko Offline
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I've been trying to come up with an alternative punchline, but the only thing I can think of is:

"A rainbow-neck"
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#51537 - 07/09/04 06:53 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
James_T Offline
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Registered: 02/03/04
Posts: 715
Loc: Seattle WA
Oops. Guess I should have paid a bit more attention!

I like rainbow neck. original, but a bit cumbersome. How about a pink-neck?

jr
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#51538 - 07/09/04 08:16 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
Whew! I thought maybe that was too much. I am ALWAYS pissing people off without meaning to.

Any of these better:

"Gay Gaucho" (my first thought)
"Pinko Cowpoke"
"Green-go"

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#51539 - 07/09/04 08:32 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
Ken.C Offline
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Posts: 17782
Loc: NoVA
Hey, I'm not pissed. Remember what we were saying about writing not showing everything?

I just figured I'd return wild exaggeration with wild exaggeration.
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#51540 - 07/09/04 09:22 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
Ajax Offline
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6251
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
You agitator, you!
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#51541 - 07/09/04 10:57 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
Oh! You mean "fascist flower child" was directed at me? HMMM...

Or did you mean like crossing Bush and a hippy?




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#51542 - 07/09/04 11:36 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
Ken.C Offline
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Registered: 05/03/03
Posts: 17782
Loc: NoVA
No, that was my answer to the riddle. I figured I'd swap the politics and the stereotype.
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#51543 - 07/09/04 11:51 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
Gotcha.

For a second there I thought you were calling me a flower child! (Hanging out in the parking lot of a Grateful Dead concert for an entire weekend doesn't make you a flower child, right?).

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#51544 - 07/09/04 11:52 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
Ken.C Offline
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Registered: 05/03/03
Posts: 17782
Loc: NoVA
Watch out, man, you could start voting green... And smoking it!
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#51545 - 07/09/04 11:58 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
I don't think I'll be voting for the Greens anytime soon, but when I retire... Sitting around the pool with a strawberry margarita and a big fattie sounds pretty good, don't it?

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#51546 - 07/11/04 12:52 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
bigjohn Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 3016
Loc: San Angelo, TX
i actually like green-go.. thats pretty inventive!!

no margarita for me, make it a cold beer.

bigjohn
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#51547 - 07/11/04 12:54 PM Re: Commie Cowboy? :)
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
Thanks, bigjohn. I was a little bit proud of that one. LOL

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