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#53289 - 09/06/04 01:07 PM Re: Just because I'm a realist
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BigWill... A nice idea... ALL we need to do is get 67 senators to agree, then get 38 states to approve, and we are THERE ! ...

OK... it COULD take a while..


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#53290 - 09/06/04 03:41 PM Re: Just because I'm a warmonger
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You're absolutely certain the US government is NOT controlling any oil supplies in the Middle East. I'm suspicious of that statement. I don't think the American people are going to know this to be a fact or not for many years into the future.

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#53291 - 09/06/04 03:46 PM Re: Just because I'm a warmonger
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Ok...You have a point. How does one prove that the government does NOT control oil supplies.

I could try sarcasm... "I also don't know for SURE that George W. Bush and John F Kerry are not aliens. Afterall, I cannot PROVE it" ...

Or... we could go for common sense... In order for the government to be in control of middle east oil, you would have to believe that the republicans and democrats are in one heck of a conspiracy...
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#53292 - 09/06/04 03:49 PM Re: Just because I'm a warmonger
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In reply to:

You're absolutely certain the US government is NOT controlling any oil supplies in the Middle East. I'm suspicious of that statement. I don't think the American people are going to know this to be a fact or not for many years into the future.




You're suspicious and I'm curious. What do you mean by your innuendo that the US government controls some oil supplies in the Middle East? Do you think the US is pumping Iraqi oil, stealing it? Do you think the US government is pumping Saudi oil, Q'tar's oil? Dubai's oil? Whose oil do you think the US is controlling, how is the US doing this and why do you believe it?
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#53293 - 09/06/04 05:44 PM Re: Just because I'm a warmonger
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Hmmmmmm... Must have been a rhetorical question...
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#53294 - 09/06/04 07:04 PM Re: Just because I'm a warmonger
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If the war has been "all about oil", they shouldn't have bothered - gas prices have gone up like 60-70%.

I'm bothered by the media coverage of the Russian kids getting slaughtered. They're spending a lot of time focussing on the failings and/or deceptions of the Russian gov't. Shouldn't the point be how terrible the people are that took all those kids hostage? Shouldn't the Russian public's anger be directed at the terrorists?

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#53295 - 09/06/04 07:08 PM Re: Just because I'm a warmonger
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BigWill... You are absolutely right. Children are slaughtered, and the perpetrators are called "militants" ... it is nothing short of disgusting.

These terrorists are the lowest form of debris.


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#53296 - 09/06/04 07:22 PM Re: Just because I'm a warmonger
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I guess by focussing on the gov'ts perceived shortcomings it gives everyone the impression that there is a way to keep people safe from the bad guys, but the Russian gov't just didn't do it.
I think the reality is that it is impossible to defend against all attacks.

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#53297 - 09/06/04 07:36 PM Re: Just because I'm a warmonger
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Our director of Homeland Security lives less than two miles from us. He has a line..."We have to be right everytime... the terrorist has to be right just once"

By the way, Regarding Gas prices... in 1980 they averaged $1.10 per gallon... In this area, today, they are $1.89 per gallon ... a 73 % increase in 24 years.

The Federal government ... in 1980, spent $532 billion... in 2004 - $2319 billion ... or a 340% increase.

We need Big Oil to run the federal budget ! ...
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#53298 - 09/06/04 07:53 PM Re: Just because I'm a warmonger
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Big Will and CraigSub, I agree with you both - media coverage of the slaughter of the children in Besla is disgusting. They appear to be blaming the Russians instead of the Jihadists. Referring to the 10 Arabs found among them as "mercenaries" is absurd. Does anyone think they were in this for the money? Was there any money involved except for the (probably Saudi) money used to finance the slaughter? The media are guilty of severe misdirection in this matter, severe misdirection and moral imbecilism.
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