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#66103 - 10/27/04 11:33 PM Re: Upconverting DVD players
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Heck I think the Star Wars Trilogy looks awesome using my Progressive Scan Toshiba player, I can't imagine it getting better, but it sounds like it does. On the 1910 is it true what I've heard about viewing DVD's that are in a 4:3 ratio, that they get stretched to fill the screen? I've heard some of the other players don't do this (momitsu, bravo, and Zenith)

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#66104 - 10/28/04 08:47 AM Re: Upconverting DVD players
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To be honest, I don't know. I have not tried any 4:3 material. I have had my 1910 for about a month and have been rewatching alot of movies in my DVD library to see how they look. I will try to get some 4:3 and let you know.

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#66105 - 10/28/04 10:45 AM Re: Upconverting DVD players
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thanks Scott, that would be great...On another note how long of a DVI cable are you using. I'll need to go about 15-18' to get to my projector, hopefully that is not an issue.
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#66106 - 10/28/04 11:10 AM Re: Upconverting DVD players
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I have a 3m going from DVD player to a Geffen DVI switch. Then another 3m cable from the switch to the TV. The cable from the DVD to switch is made by Geffen and came with the switch. The cable from the switch to the TV is a Monster DVI cable.

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#66107 - 10/28/04 06:54 PM Re: Upconverting DVD players
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So is there anybody else out there that can comment on their experiences with upconverting DVD players? (samsung, toshiba, momitsu, bravo, zenith, denon)

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#66108 - 10/28/04 07:09 PM Re: Upconverting DVD players
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Well, I have the Samsung 931 and I just got the Denon 1910. I picked up the Denon because the Samsung seemed slow to start, etc, and had some pixelation. So far, the Denon seems to be much smoother. Picture looks awesome on my Mitsubishi 65" RPTV through DVI...
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#66109 - 10/28/04 07:10 PM Re: Upconverting DVD players
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Registered: 12/30/03
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Well since you specifically mentioned the brand, I've had both the Bravo D1 and Bravo D2. Both have FABULOUS picture quality via DVI. The D1 had build quality problems, but I was treated admirably by V, INC, which refunded my money after more than 6 months. I was one of the first in line for the D2. I haven't had one single problem with it.

If you lose power, or turn it completely off, rather than just put it into standby (the display reads "off" when it's it standby; it's blank when the unit is completely off) it will forget your settings and default to it's initial settings when you power it back up. But, there is a firmware upgrade available on the V, INC web site which fixes this, and I would suspect the current models come with the newer firmware. I got mine back in June.

I've heard that there can be problems with the D2 and long DVI cable runs to some (but not all) projectors. And, though I'm not certain, it seems to be a factor of the cable quality. I'm running a 3 ft. DVI cable to a Gefen 4x1 DVI switch, and a 9 ft. DVI cable from the Gefen to my Samsung HLN4365W HDTV. No problems. On occasion, the Sammy has trouble with the HDCP handshake, but that is a Gefen problem, NOT a D2 problem. It doesn't happen often enough to be a major annoyance.

The sound quality is as good as any player I've ever had.

All in all, I'm VERY happy with the D2.
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#66110 - 10/28/04 08:58 PM Re: Upconverting DVD players
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Thanks a bunch Jack, the Bravo D2 is one of the players I'm considering for my Z2. I had also heard some of the bugs in the D2 have been resolved. As far as the Z2 goes I've heard the following on AVS: with the Samsung's there is a black crush issue, not sure if the newer 941 has this problem, for the Zenith's there is a pixelation problem around the border of the screen, with the Denon's 4:3 material is stretched to fit the screen, and finally the Bravo's and Momitsu's are supposed to be spectacular with the Z2. So maybe I've answered my own question.

As far as DVI goes, I think DVI-D high quality cable would be the way to go, I've viewed some very attractive deals on Ebay for supposably high quality cables. I need to measure but I think I need about a 16' cable.

On another note, I see your a Browns fan? Do you live in Cleveland? If so, have you ever heard of Hyland Software? They are one of the leading Document Imaging solutions in the industry. I am a System Administrator of their products at my company, The Principal Financial Group in Des Moines, Iowa.......

Anyway, thanks for your advice...Randy

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#66111 - 10/28/04 09:33 PM Re: Upconverting DVD players
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Glad to help Randy. And yes, I'm in a western suburb of Cleveland. Haven't heard of Hyland Software. I'm only connected to the computer industry by the money I spend on my computer.

I've got a Sammy 941 on order from Amazon. There is a post on AVS stating "The DVD941 will be shipping next week, according to the head of training at Samsung today (yesterday). Hopefully, assuming this is accurate, I'll be one of the first to get the 941. If I get one, I'll let you know what I think.

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#66112 - 10/30/04 10:47 AM Re: Upconverting DVD players
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Registered: 02/21/04
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Loc: Minnesota
I have the Samsung HD841. PQ is excellent, although I am sometimes aware of the black crush problem if I really look for it (normally means the movie is not holding my attention!). One point to note is that the remote is useless, I need to be within 4 feet of the player and directly in front to make it work. By the way I have over 6 meters of DVI cable in my wall and no PQ issues. I am also thinking about an upgrade to one of the new Denon models, mmmmmm the 3910 looks good!
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