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#77213 - 01/19/05 04:00 PM Re: You might think I'm crazy, but I'm not...
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Big John, I actually have both the ultra cheap and a couple of those gold plated ones. never really tested for a difference.

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#77214 - 01/19/05 04:06 PM Re: You might think I'm crazy, but I'm not...
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Not RCA's but I tried a couple of Axioms locking banana plugs on the back of the reciever and you really need to be careful not to touch them together once installed...lot's of bare metal back there.
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#77215 - 01/19/05 04:08 PM Re: You might think I'm crazy, but I'm not...
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I don't know if the power cables WORK, or not....but you would be surprised to see how MANY companies, and mfgs. "shoot themselves in the foot" trying to cut corners, for price points, the bottom line, and for the company "bean counters".
It flies in the face of all logic to me.
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#77216 - 01/19/05 04:37 PM Re: You might think I'm crazy, but I'm not...
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They do seem to cut corners a lot....When you are out shopping for cabinets, take a look at the back of it and unless it is really high dollar it will be particle board. P.S. when moisture hits it...PooF its done for.
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#77217 - 01/19/05 04:40 PM Re: You might think I'm crazy, but I'm not...
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You are right...Remember this: sooner, or later...particle board turns back into particles.
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#77218 - 01/19/05 04:49 PM Re: You might think I'm crazy, but I'm not...
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#77219 - 01/19/05 07:22 PM Re: You might think I'm crazy, but I'm not...
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In reply to:

but you would be surprised to see how MANY companies, and mfgs. "shoot themselves in the foot" trying to cut corners, for price points, the bottom line, and for the company "bean counters".




Larry,

You beat me to the punch. It's not the engineers that make the final decision. It's up to the product manager, who is neither an engineer, or a bean counter. He's the poor slob in the middle that has to take all of the scientific mumbo jumbo coming from the engineers, and go to the bean counters to justify WHY they must use the .22 cent capacitors in the power supply vs. the .10 cent ones that the bean counters found in some catalog with similar specs. One side wants to make the best quality piece of equipment that he can - his "opus", and the other side just wants to shave a few pennies per unit in production costs. So it's not the engineers "shooting themselves in the foot", they just lose the occassional business battle. Corporate life, you gotta love it. (Well, OK. You don't "gotta".)
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#77220 - 01/19/05 08:07 PM Re: You might think I'm crazy, but I'm not...
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So is it safe to assume that a high end, cost-is-not-an-issue, multi-thousand bucks piece of equipment like the Denon 5805 would have better power cord compared to my lowly $200 Yammie HTR-5640? Or even the Denon's cord can be improved with an after-market one?

My cord is fine. It would be funny to pair my Yammie with a $100 cord. Besides, my ears are not very picky

Just curious.
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#77221 - 01/19/05 08:48 PM Re: You might think I'm crazy, but I'm not...
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I guess it depends on their accountants.

Don't get me wrong. Any old power cord will do the job just fine. I was just pointing out that:

A better ground can NOT be bad on any piece of electronic gear.

Lower resistance MIGHT change the impedance ratios (ever so slightly, if at all)

Twisted conductors in any wire running AC voltages will reduce induced currents.

I'd almost bet that the 2 cords are very similar in quality because quite frankly, the engineers probably just specified the voltage and current ratings, and left the decision as to which actual cord ended up in the box to the procurement guys. They probably decided based on the lowest cost for a cord that meets the specs that they were given. I doubt that either would be "better" simply because it came with the more expensive piece of equipment. The one with the bigger amplifiers probably just has a thicker one. I don't think it is "safe" to assume anything.
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#77222 - 01/19/05 09:12 PM Re: You might think I'm crazy, but I'm not...
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Is induced currents a bad thing concerning speaker cables?

Lately I have been seeing new speaker cables on the market that are twisted together. A few years ago I never saw them twisted together.
Just curious
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