Well, touche then I guess, if you two think so? But, I happen to know a bit about the history of bread and it wasn't always this soft stuff that we've seen arise in the latter half of the 20th century. The demand for the kind of bread I like and served in good restaurants has diminished during our century. This is a fact. Did I say people are stupid or "gullible" for demanding subway bread? No, I did not. Did I say breadmakers or subway prey on people? I don't think so.

But, 9 out of 10 posts from JohnK will tell you what he thinks of people. He and Alan completely missed the point. Again, I never argued stereo was better. I'll take some of the blame for that for poor communication, I guess. You've got to really spell it out for the straw men.

And, I still have a hard time believing that a speaker company doesn't find it in their best interest to promote 5 speakers over two. Just as Linn will tell you that the source is the most important piece of a system. And if anyone thinks I'm being judgemental, I'm not. That's how business works.

player8, one more thing:

gullible: Easily deceived or duped.

I said "people don't know what good bread is anymore". That implies nothing about how *easy* it was for them to get to the point of not knowing what good bread is anymore. Neither does it imply how willfully ignorant they are.

I do know that 100 years ago, if you put Subway bread on the table, 99 out of 100 people would think it was crap. Today, people obviously have a right to their tastes.

What the hell you singling me out for? I didn't find what you said in your original post offensive, but I do find you trying to further push a point that I had no response to annoying and offensive. I just stated that I don't like that fancy, schmancy bread crap. I like plain simple bread. I'm a simple guy with simple tastes who happens to be in the search for higher fidelity music reproduction. Nothing more, nothing less. So just drop your beef with me.

BigWill asked how could anyone not find my comments offensive in comparison to what JohnK said and you agreed. I responded. I think my comments were a little different (as I believe I've shown). I don't want to get in a stupid argument here and I'm sorry if I've offended you. All that was primarily for Big Will anyways although I made the mistake of directing it at you.

My god people. RELAX. You've reached the point now that you're arguing about BREAD!

Please, please, please, try to calm down.

Anyone that can come up with the line: "You've reached the point now, that you're arguing about BREAD"!.....GET'S my vote for moderator!

Larry, you're a riot!

Good bread, clear channels -
sensing many is joyful.
Some like only one.

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A common argument against multichannel sound is that it's unnatural -- that the ultimate goal is to reproduce the live audience experience.

I would argue the ultimate goal is obtaining the most satisfaction possible from the reproduced music, regardless of how closely that mimics the original acoustic experience.

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I like that a lot. Thanks, joema.