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#87305 - 04/05/05 04:28 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
bigjohn Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 3016
Loc: San Angelo, TX
In reply to:

the US should abandon the Imperial measurement system



i am glad you think so.... now HUSH..

it ALL boils down to what we know. i know exactly for far a foot is, and exactly how far a yard is. if you tell me its one mile, i got a real good idea how long that will take me to walk. and i know exactly how many bowls of cereal i can get out of a half-gallon of milk. and i used to be pretty good at measuring dry ounces at a time.

but, i dont have a clue how far a meter is, much less a kilometer. i couldnt tell you how much a kilogram is, and i have a slight understanding of liters. simply cause coke is sold in 2 and 3 liters.

so, while the argument will go on forever. i just hope it never changes.

bigjohn
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#87306 - 04/05/05 04:58 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
bray Offline
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Registered: 06/10/04
Posts: 1792
Loc: Colorado
Come on bigjohn, everyone knows that 14 grams is a half (ounce),and that 7 grams is a quarter (ounce) and an ounce is well..... a full bag.


And by the way, we did try the metric system.........it didnt work.
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#87307 - 04/05/05 05:07 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
chesseroo Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4829
Loc: western canada
Riff,

I'm very passionate about science and the people in my profession and i'm not keen on seeing it put down so often especially when it is the very science principles which invented our home audio systems. Many professions get bashed constantly (e.g. lawyer jokes galore) but the scientists are a struggling lot who have a ton on their plates, who get little recognition for it and even less money to do it with although the cost of research is probably greater than any other single profession. Did everyone know there is no Nobel Prize (let alone ANY reasonably distinguished prize) for Biology?
Did anyone know that i can buy a marble pestle and mortar for our lab through a typical equipment supplier like Fisher Scientific for $300 and yet get the same thing from Walmart for about twelve bucks!!??
Oh science equipment is damn pricey and unfortunately Walmart does not sell 1.2% Deactivated Florisil and toxaphene standards.

Science cannot explain everything, at least not yet, maybe it will never get there, but as BBIBH stated, "To take Chess' point, if you define the what it is you enjoy in the sound, there is an explanation to be put forth."
The Axiom research has taken ordinary people and i imagine some extraordinary ppl as well and run science tests to see what generally folks prefer.This information is not new and at least from Ian's point of view, goes back to the early 1980s equating to nearly 25 years of experience and research to this date. From such information they can say that a majority of listeners seem to select a more neutral speaker as opposed to one which is, well, not neutral as a preferred sound. Such conclusions can only come from analysis of things like waveforms as Bren described.
Folks should not be so quick to dismiss the data that science can generate even if it does pigeonhole people into profiles. Everyone is unique and has their own preferences but i dare say there are alot more common preferences in many regards than people realize. Honestly i don't know anyone that likes to hear a speaker with 10dB spikes in the 4kHz and higher range. There must be something to that.

Go Team Metric.

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#87308 - 04/05/05 05:09 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
chesseroo Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4829
Loc: western canada
Hey BigJ,
How many drams in a digit?
3.14159265
Oh waitaiminute, that's pi.
Feet in a yard? 3
Inches in a foot? 12
Rods in a furlong? 40

Are you SURE you don't want to move to a system based on multiples of 10?

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#87309 - 04/05/05 05:17 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
RickF Offline
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Registered: 02/26/05
Posts: 5210
Loc: Vero Beach, Florida
Damn...

This is getting to be quite a lot of information to digest regarding the M80 stero sound system suggestions....Seperates vs recievers vs tubes, vinal vs cd, analog, digital, science, human factor, old school, new school, metric, imperial, ounces....baggies?

Heck, all I wanted was a kick ass sound system!


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#87310 - 04/05/05 05:17 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
bigjohn Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 3016
Loc: San Angelo, TX
In reply to:

based on multiples of 10



i understand the theory of it.. and i see why on paper, it would seem easier.

but if you lined up 10 americans, and marked off 20 meters, and TOLD them it was 20 meters, then asked how far is that? 9 of them would say , "oh about 60 feet"..

thats what we know, and nobody wants to change.

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#87311 - 04/05/05 05:53 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
spiffnme Offline
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Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 5214
Loc: Los Angeles
I was only in Europe for 2.5 weeks and you'd be amazed how quickly you get used to metric measurements. It's really not difficult at all.

Though I found it odd that coke bottles were 33cl. 33 would seem to imply that their goal was 1/3, what's the impetus behind that? If you're using the metric system, why 1/3? Isn't the metric system based on 10's? It would seem to my mind that the obvious size for that bottle of coke would be 30cl or even 35cl, no? What am I missing?


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#87312 - 04/05/05 06:24 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
player8 Offline
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Registered: 01/19/04
Posts: 521
Loc: PHX/Flagstaff, AZ
"thats what we know, and nobody wants to change. "

Exactly.

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#87313 - 04/05/05 09:40 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
chesseroo Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4829
Loc: western canada
That's a good question spiff.
Why are bottles of beer 341mL rather than even 500s?
I can only guess that the beer companies have researched the average, non-bloating level of fluid which humans can drink without having to waste material before finishing a bottle.
Who knows?
I know that i don't.



Edited by chesseroo (04/05/05 09:41 PM)
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#87314 - 04/05/05 11:23 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
JohnK Offline
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Registered: 05/11/02
Posts: 10395
As Rick(BrotherBob)has rather gently pointed out, this discussion hasn't exactly been focused on the concerns that he raised. As to whether a stereo receiver or separates would be more advisable, it would seem the simplicity and economy of the receiver would be the choice except in the highly unlikely case that the power available in the receivers was inadequate.

Rick also asked about other items which would contribute to "good quality sound", but instead several suggestions relating to obsolescent audio technologies were made. Regardless of whether someone personally prefers these, they certainly don't represent "good quality" in an era when digital samples precisely reproduce the sine waves that comprise all of music.
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