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Posted By: tomtuttle Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/12/07 06:00 AM
Dear Friends,

My 13 year old POS Craftsman started running supremely crappy and belching smoke today. I bought it as a closeout and have never really liked the thing anyway. So, instead of paying the ~$200 it would probably take to fix it, I'm considering a new lawn mower.

I don't need nor can I afford a riding mower.

I do not want to entertain the notion of a push-mower (Fossil Fuels: Smoke 'em if you got 'em).

I have a quarter-acre lot that's pretty flat. I am not a lawn Nazi. You cannot putt on my lawn.

What say you?
Posted By: Haoleb Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/12/07 06:19 AM
Honda commercial

We have one that is at least as old as I am, so lets say 22, Starts up everytime, great little machine. The pull start thing broke so now I just wrap the string around the spindle thing and pull but its never quit. And it has been through alot. Im not even sure if the oil has been changed...ever..
Posted By: BrenR Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/12/07 06:58 AM
One word - mulcher.

If I had to bag, I wouldn't mow... the tradeoff of once a year having to dethatch is a very, very good compromise for me.

I've got a Craftsman 21" with a Briggs 6.5 - push, not self-propelled - tried the old neighbour's self-propelled once... it'd probably help if you had a big rural lot, but the ins and outs of an urban lot with trees and other features just meant I ended up trying to hold it back a lot to make turns and doing burnouts on his grass instead. And all the gearing and drivetrain almost doubles the weight.

My .02 - YMMV.

Bren R.
Posted By: Wid Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/12/07 12:59 PM

Blacktop it all
Posted By: snakeyes Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/12/07 01:00 PM
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Blacktop it all



And Paint it green!
Posted By: JimLogan Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/12/07 02:17 PM
astroturf it.

or buy a used ride on (that's what I did). Some might say I'm lazy...I prefer to think of myself as energy efficient.

it takes me all of 15 minutes to mow the lawn; my neighbours with the same size lot each spend around an hour and a half. They sweat, I sit on the deck drinking beer watching them. I win.
Posted By: bugbitten Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/12/07 02:17 PM
Or river rock!
Posted By: SirQuack Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/12/07 02:21 PM
Its all about Zero Turn baaaaaaby....
Posted By: Bill3508 Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/12/07 04:00 PM
I would recommend a Honda self-propelled. They are great mowers. I've had mine now over 4 years and it starts the first pull every time. Runs like a champ. I also have a .25acre lot and its perfect although mine isn't all that flat. They have ones with different speeds also, which would be nice to get done quicker, and I will eventually upgrade to one of these.

Bill3508
Posted By: michael_d Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/12/07 06:23 PM
Honda.

Just bight the bullet and get one. Or, you do what I do.... buy a POS mower at Costco every spring and regret it every fall. I could have bought two Hondas by now with the money I've wasted on these F-ers, and I'd still be using Honda #1.
Posted By: RickF Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/12/07 10:07 PM
Tom...

Two words - lawn service.

After years of going through the best of mowers and equipment for the countless hours of mowing, trimming, edging and manicuring our lawn to a 'T', about three years ago we *finally* decided to try a lawn service and haven't looked back since.

You may be surprised about how well this service may fit into the budget.
Posted By: pmbuko Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/13/07 03:45 AM
Does a year of lawn service cost less than purchasing a riding mower?
Posted By: JohnK Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/13/07 04:00 AM
Mike, if you read and follow the manual for the mower from Costco it'll last you at least 20 years(and they have better sound than Honda).
Posted By: LT61 Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/13/07 04:31 AM
Let's see now............no riders, no pushers, eco friendly....it will have to be an electric, with a long, long, cord.........no, no, you said no pushers...hmmmmm.

The only choice left: a couple of goats.
Posted By: tomtuttle Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/13/07 04:46 AM
Err, umm, "thanks" guys.

Larry, I meant I wanted to burn petroleum rather than human calories to power the cutting and propulsion. Although, the goats do have some appeal. For the lawn.

I might actually look into lawn service. Thanks for the suggestion, Rick. I firmly expect to be too damn cheap to do it, but I like the idea.

Mike, you always make the truth funny. I like that. Thanks.

Is a Craftsman-with-a-Honda-Engine the same as a Honda?

I really dig the idea of riding around and drinking beer, but the repairs and maintenance for a riding mower have got to make the privilege costly. Besides, then I'd have to find a place to park the SOB.

Don't think I haven't floated the "let's have less yard maintenance to do" past Mrs. Tuttle. She likes having grass and flowers and stuff, and keeps telling me that I do, too. It's not working. I've always hated yard work, and I want to gravitate towards doing none of it as I get older.

Maybe I could suck up a big part of the yard with an addition for a dedicated theatre room...

I really do appreciate your time. You all make this a wonderful place. Well, except JP, who is obviously ignoring my plight. Bastige.
Posted By: CV Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/13/07 05:01 AM
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Maybe I could suck up a big part of the yard with an addition for a dedicated theatre room...




Seriously, do this.
Posted By: St_PatGuy Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/13/07 05:16 AM
Tom, just buy a cheap mower and have one of your kids do the yardwork. I swore that was the sole reason for my dad raising me. I didn't quite understand the glint in his eye when he first showed me how to work the mower. It soon became all too clear, though. One of the happiest days of his life. Probably.
Posted By: JohnK Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/13/07 05:44 AM
Toro.
Posted By: RickF Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/13/07 09:17 AM
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Does a year of lawn service cost less than purchasing a riding mower?




Peter we usually spend around $760 a year for our lawn service....$20 per cutting @ 4 cuttings per month for the 7 active growing months (April-Oct) and 2 cuttings per month during the slow months. This service also includes edging, trimming and blowing.
Most lawn services typically charge a flat rate for 12 months but there's plenty of freelancers around that will charge a per cutting rate.

Due to my rigorous work schedule throughout the summer months I just don't want to take the time to mess around with yard work for a couple of hours on my one day off during the week and I'm certainly not going to have my wife doing the yard work in the sweltering heat so the service was a no brainer for us and now that we've had the service for over a couple of years we love it....no mowers, trimmer, edgers and blowers to buy, no gas to mix and no more trips to the gas station with gas cans in tow all while having a neatly cut and trimmed lawn works out absolutely great for my wife and I.
Posted By: michael_d Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/13/07 02:24 PM
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Is a Craftsman-with-a-Honda-Engine the same as a Honda?






Nope.... My last Costco POS has a Honda engine. It passed away last weekend.

John, I'm burrying the manual with the POS.
Posted By: Murph Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/13/07 02:43 PM
Last year I was living on a lot other than my own while our house was bing built. I already had a ride on but needed a push mower for many sections of this yard. Since it was only for one summer, I purchased a cheap mower at Walmart with a Briggs & Straton engine. I knew full well that B&S had sold its name to another company a few years ago and that their once respected quality had tumbled to 'laughing stock' ever since, but I wanted cheap.

Well that's exactly how long it lasted, One Year. Just long enough for the warranty to expire. I maintained it perfectly, did not abuse it and did not cut longer grass than it should. This summer, I did a section of my neighbors lawn for him and BANG! I haven't taken it apart yet but lets just say it won't start anymore.

The Honda engine advice is SOLID! You definitely get what you pay for.
Posted By: JimLogan Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/13/07 02:54 PM
Quote:

I really dig the idea of riding around and drinking beer, but the repairs and maintenance for a riding mower have got to make the privilege costly. Besides, then I'd have to find a place to park the SOB.




maybe I got lucky but I paid $300 for a used craftsman that I've put absolutely $0 into for the past 3 summers (except gas). I park it behind my garage & throw a tarp over for the winter. I'm telling you, the looks of envy from every guy worth his salt in the neighbourhood is priceless. FYI, from personal experience you will have to install a beer holder. Cooler is optional on a 1/4 acre lot.

don't forget you can get a snowblower attachment for it too. the beer holder can double as a cognac holder in the colder months
Posted By: Stymie Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/13/07 03:21 PM
I would look for a old used pusher with a B&S motor. My original pusher (my Dad gave it to me) had a B&S motor on it and is close to 25 years old, if not older. I gave it back to him about three years ago since I needed one with the large wheels on the back. My current mower with a B&S motor as well, was rescued from a trash pile in the front of a guy's house. (I checked with him before taking it.) The only problem was that he let condensation build up in the gas tank. Emptied the tank and cleaned the carb and good as new. I just check the oil before I use it each time and add as needed. I change it twice a year.

I also have a Craftsman rider that the owner of my current house left behind. The only problem was that the tires were flat. 17 plugs later, I have a perfectly good mower. I also check the oil before each use and change twice a year. I also sharpen the blades on both about every three months. I prefer to use the push mower for excercise since I hate running on a treadmill. Takes me about 1 1/2 hours to push the first acre (on a slope) plus weedeating and blowing and another hour to ride the second acre (open field). Don't know why I've never thought about putting a beer holder on the rider. DOH!
Posted By: Murph Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/13/07 05:56 PM
Just to be clear, if you can find an older Briggs and Stratton, I would agree with the above. Older models are a tough motor. There is one in my Troy Built lawn tractor that is still working seamlessly after 9 years of cutting an acre and a third. I'm not sure what year it was taken over by a new company but if you compare an older B&S engine with something you'll find in a store today, you easily will see that they have gone the route of lower end, mass market production.

Also, I second that a lawn tractor is not a high maintenance investment at all unless you buy an old beater. On the tractor mentioned above, I change the oil filter and spark plug every year, clean the air filter with some gas, sharpen the blades every couple of years and that's pretty much it. In nine years, I bought 1 new belt (it's hydrostatic) and had it tuned up twice. I repaired one flat tire by adding a 6 dollar tube. That's it for maintenance. Worry free yard racing.

However, if you can comfortably cut your lawn with a push mower, then I would still say don't bother with a ride on. Good exercise, you often need one anyways to get into tighter areas and the smaller engine produces less emissions.
Posted By: HomeDad Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/13/07 09:51 PM
Tom, my advice would be to forget the lawnmower, get the new TV you were asking about and relax.
Posted By: tomtuttle Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/13/07 10:19 PM
Well, Michael, that is certainly my preference. The Tuttle Family CFO has a different view of priorities, however. She thinks we're already overcapitalized on interior resources.

I'm not very good at that whole "relaxing" thing. But JP's trying to help me.
Posted By: nickbuol Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/14/07 02:37 AM
Hey, come up to Iowa... The Iowa State Fair (largest in the country) is going on right now. If you time it right, you could pick up a couple of goats on the cheap... Easy to take care of, but be sure to keep them out of the neighbor's bushes...
LOL
Posted By: tomtuttle Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/14/07 02:39 AM
Oh sure, the goats are cheap, but I understand that all subwoofers go "thump thumpity thump thumpity" in Iowa.
Posted By: SirQuack Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/14/07 02:55 AM
Yep, and you can by Natural Light real cheap. Just go down to K-mart and get a K-Pro pusher with a Tecumseh motor, you'll be fine until the wheel axels fall through the flimsy sheet metal on the mower deck.
Posted By: BrenR Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/15/07 10:43 PM
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Due to my rigorous work schedule throughout the summer months I just don't want to take the time to mess around with yard work for a couple of hours on my one day off during the week


Bob, you're required to turn in your man card at the closest drinking establishment to your current position.

Seriously though, summer for me is crazy (150 hours billable so far this month), but for me... the lawn needs to be mowed, I'm taking that 90 minutes, period, end-stop. But then again, I also find it calming and soothing and a good reminder of why I work (to pay for lovely things like my house)... so I do it. Lisa suggested that we could get a professional in to do it... I counteroffered that we could get a professional in to take care of some of the more intimate things she has to do as well, she saw it my way.

Bren R.
Posted By: MarkSJohnson Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/15/07 10:54 PM
Bob, give Bren your man card. He REALLY loves yardwork!
Posted By: tomtuttle Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/16/07 05:28 PM
So, Bren, how does it make you feel to have these "intimate" experiences with your yard work?


Posted By: medic8r Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/16/07 06:47 PM
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... we could get a professional in to take care of some of the more intimate things she has to do as well ...




I bet that if you mowed your yard along with the professional guys it would go even faster than it would if either of you mowed it alone.

Just like if you hired a professional along with your wife then things would go even better than it would with just one of them.
Posted By: BrenR Re: Lawn mower purchase advice - 08/16/07 10:11 PM
Tom and Dr. J...

No hanging out together anymore... seriously.

Bren R.
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