For those not getting the owners cub e-mail.

Virtually everyone loves commanding deep bass and Axiom’s latest edition to its DSP subwoofer lineup--the new EP800--is the definitive deep-bass powerhouse. To Axiom EP600 owners, it may look familiar, but that’s only because the EP800 uses the same enclosure as the EP600. There, the similarity ends: it’s sealed rather than ported (to eliminate potential port noise at ultra-low infrasonic frequencies to 12 Hz), and uses two massive 12-inch dual voice-coil drivers running in parallel, so the amplifier can now deliver 800 watts!


I’ve written new custom digital code for the EP800, which has resulted in a sub with the smoothest, most linear (+/- 1 dB) deep bass I’ve ever produced (to 13 Hz; 12 Hz in a room) or, for that matter, which anyone has ever produced!

Exclusive to the Owner's Club

Pre-order your Axiom EP800 subwoofer by November 10th, midnight EST and receive 20% off the regular price, a saving of $470! (The regular EP800 price will be $2,350US). The Vassallo custom real-wood version of the EP800 will cost $2,770US. Owners Club cost will be $2,200US. Click here to take advantage of this exclusive offer. Available in Vertical (shown) or Horizontal configurations.

I was hoping they'd finally listen to my request and offer a diagonal configuration.

Diagonal would be cool.
This is definitely on my list once I am out of an appartment.
I might have to decide between furniture and this though...

That's easy, it doubles as a handy movie watching bench!

Yeah, I saw this and thought "Ooohh! Save $470 on a sub I don't need to go with the speakers I don't need that I just ordered! No way I can justify spending $1k on a 500 but $2k on an 800..."




I am the demographic.

Due to a tight room and grueling WAF, does anyone know if this subwoofer can be mounted to the top of a 27" LCD tv?

I would love to see you just trying to lift that onto a 27" LCD.

What kind of a wussy LCD wouldn't hold 50kg/110 lbs? I say no problemo, dude!

ok I need to think about how to convince my GF that this is a good idea. Any suggestions?

Hey the wife wants it there for aesthetics, SHE can do the lifting!

"But baby, we'll be saving $470! In these turbulent times we need to save as much as we can!"

good call! is the money due at the time of preorder? when will they be shipping?

I apparently don't get any newsletters from axiom...

Not sure about the 800 but the newsletter also announced pre-orders for the T80/60/150 which start shipping in 4 weeks.

Pre-orders for the 800 go until 10 Nov, so I'd imagine sometime after that.

There is a scene from Howard Stern’s movie “Private Parts” you might have her watch.


I bet the EP800 could hold the wussy LCD.

BTW how does an Axiom owner get the owners club e-mail?

I think they had some problems getting them to everyone. I called today and asked and they said they'd add me to the list to be sure I received a copy... It's a new system and I think there are a few bugs to be worked out.

Also check your spam filters just to be sure as I've had lots of Axiom mail go there in the past. (In this case though, that wasn't the case... I just didn't get it).

The funny thing is I was going to suggest the same thing. Maybe you could hook up the phone into the stereo somehow and if your away at work or something you know....

Dump her! Ha ha, just kidding. But good luck.

I like how when you go to order it says "$1880.00 USD/pair." Are they counting each driver as an each, or do we really get two full EP800s for $1880.00?

There's no way I can raise the money in time, but I would love a pair of these. I'll have to try either the Bill Me Later or set up a layaway or something. *slobber slobber*

Where's Ray when you need him? He'd say something like "Sell the girlfriend before she becomes a wife. You can get more money."

Easy, let her know these are the kind of decisions that determines if she gets promoted to Wife.

Once promoted to wife the past is irrelevent.

Right, and once promoted to wife, she also develops the ability to override all past decisions as girlfriend with no guilt or consequence. Proceed with caution.

I'm thinking that I will build a stand to hold my DLP "loosely" around a horizontal 800.

(OK, this scale makes it look like 15~18" woofers!)

Do you have to call to pre-order?

If you don't have an owners club login, you should call to see what's up.

Mark, could you at least throw a dirty sock on the ground, or something. . .

You and your socks, Sean.

All my secret, secret socks are in my secret, secret place.

Both you guys:

Doing a little visual enhancement in a certain area, huh?

Yeah, I never got any type of owners club information that I know of.

I called Brent at axiom and I think that will get fixed... I would like to at least have the opportunity to pre-order the sub...

Yeah, but I think I need to take a course in Anatomy. Everyone keeps asking if I have tumors on my back....

It definitely looks like a fun sub. I started canceling preorders for things on Amazon.com. I think I really will see about doing the layaway, and of course since I won't want to wait tooooo long after it comes out to have it, I'll have to be tight with all of my other purchases. Just my luck, though, I'll miraculously get a girlfriend and start having my income diverted.

Yeah.

That would suck, huh?

I'd love to get an 800... but in the same way that I'd love an Axiom amp, a great Pre/Pro, and a Pioneer Kuro on the wall...

WAY outta my league!

I'll suddenly realize the value of my freedom.

Make more money! You know, if you had pictures of Regina for sale, I'd buy 'em.

I actually just ordered a print of someone's picture of Regina to put up at work. It annoys one of my coworkers when I mention Regina, as he thinks I need to concentrate on women I could actually date (weird guy), so this picture should please him. He just put in his two week notice, so it needs to come soon.

M80s are due to arrive Tuesday, if I am eligible for the owner's discount I will probably spring for the ep800, if not I will be looking to see how the emotiva 2112 subs are received at the audioholics show, you can't beat the estimated price of $999 for a 1000 watt amp and two sealed 12" subs, yet another surprisingly low price from emotiva, hopefully the build quality of their speakers will be more solid than the initial run of their amps, the speakers released so far have received good reviews. It might even be better to have 2 separate subs, that's what everyone says, but I still want the ep800, and could always add another sub later to smooth out the sound.

or get 4 ep500's

4 800's anyone? Do I hear 4 800's...

I'm sure you could hear 4 800...

Sounds like a plan, might be a slight problem with the WAF though, let's see how the M80s (and XPA2; I'm hoping it will blend in somewhere?) fit in and then proceed . . .

I want four, but I think I'll have to settle for two... just because saving for four would be too long of a wait for me.

Are you planning to trade up the ep600?

That's the idea. We'll see if I can do that. I emailed them my plan. I could always give it to my dad, though. I know he would love it.

I'd say so! Lucky dog!!

How came you never have "The Great EP600 Giveaway Thread"?

My heart must be undersized.

Well, if the Grinches' can grow three sizes.....

C'Mon, Charles. Get a Big Heart on.

(I'm sorry to those reading these forums aloud to their kids!)

Because he's been saving up for "The Great EP800 Giveaway Thread" .

Mark, you almost made me get coffee all over my keyboard. . .

Mark, you see this? I guess you need to try just a little hearter.

Check out the owners club discount on that beast...

Buy two and save enough to have the foundation of your house repaired!!!!

Is there a link to the owner's club? I am interested in upgrading my EP500's to EP800's.

Call Axiom, it's by invite.

It does seem to consider them a pair in the shopping cart. I mean, it shows up as just one subwoofer, but when I have two EP800s and one other item in the cart, it gives me the home theater 5% discount.

And just what are you doing by "testing" items in your cart?

Seriously, I've done the same thing and on another site, just to see what it would set me back. Unfortunately, it's always too much and I don't click "proceed to checkout"....

The only bad thing is that I'll have to call in my order to set up the layaway, so I'll have to convince them to give me the 5% discount.

Can't do trade-up with the preorder, but I'll still have to try for the 5%. Ha ha.

Charles, just order the 5 and then send me two. That way, you get a third for free and save all that money with the 5% discount.

You're saving so much, you can't afford NOT to do this.

Seriously.

Do this.

Do it

I feel compelled to do it.

Nike?

Swoosh.

A big check mark for CVs ordering list.

I can't believe no one posted a picture of Rob Schneider.

Hmm, they changed the description on the page so it doesn't say "pair" anymore, but they still seem to count as two items toward the home theater discount. I'm sure they'll fix that, too, if I keep opening my mouth. Ha ha.

<Cajun>You can do it!</Cajun>

I bet the high price of the EP800 lets it count as 2 speakers in order to help you get to a discount faster. Hey, if you're gonna pay that much, at least they give you a nod in the tally.

You'll get a nod in the tallywhacker if you don't stop your speculatin'.

Has anybody ever been able to score a copy of Negative Orange's limited release 45, "Nod in the Tallywhacker"?

Unfortunately, yes, and I have a sore pubic symphysis to prove it.

I received my username and password for the Owner's club. Where do you sign it with it?

http://www.axiomaudio.com/ownersclub_login.html

Well, Brent said they should only count as single units, but as of a couple of minutes ago, they were still counting as two. Either way, I'll get the additional 5% discount. I need two more QS8s to make it 7.1 (well, 7.2, since I'm going for two EP800s), so I'll just put those in the same order, along with the extra balanced XLR cable I'll be needing. Of course this means another payment or two that I'll have to endure, but it will be so nice when I get it all. Of course, I won't be buying anyone Christmas gifts this year.

Wow! Way to go Sir. Charles!

You stinka'!

Congrats CV

Party at Charles' house!

Dude, congrats! That's going to be THE demo system!

so are you using some type of layaway system?

Charles, I've been watching "Heroes" and I now know how the world will end. I just painted you turning on the two EP800s and the world cracked in two.

Hey, no congratulations until I actually have it all.

Also, didn't Axiom say they have more to announce? I wonder what other products they have up their sleeves.

I will be using their layaway program, yes.

Yeah, too bad CV doesn't live near "civilization"

J/K, Charles. (It's a Washington thing, guys).

You are correct. If I did, I wouldn't have to travel so far to see the bands I like play. My sister keeps trying to get me to move to Bothell, but I wouldn't like barely making my rent every month.

So, did all you guys in the owners club call to get in? Maybe I haven't spent enough? Haha, what are the requirements? Off to Radio Shack to finally get a sound meter...

I got an invite out of the blue a couple of weeks ago. I don't think its automated in any way. Give them a call or send an email.

I'm still waiting for the decoder ring and the secret handshake.

You can call and ask to be added from what I've experienced (but they do probably at least verify that you own Axioms based on their records).

Jason

I had to call and remind them that I had never been invited into the club. They emailed my a password and directions for a seret hand shake after that.

In my case, I received the invitation (and responded) but then did not receive the newsletter. The process after that was the same as you described (calling Axiom, getting the PW, etc.)

JC also forwarded me the newsletter in the meantime since I couldn't seem to get their automated system's e-mails to come through to me.

Yahoo has liked to swallow all mails from Axiom for as long as I've been a customer (despite selecting "NOT SPAM" many times), so I wasn't surprised it happened in this case, but it is an annoying trend.

Jason

I want mine mailed to me in an exploding envelope and written in invisible ink.

I hadn't though of that one. I'll have to check my spam box.

Anyone knows when the EP800 starts shipping?

The same date they stop taking pre-orders at the discounted price.. nov 10 or 17th I forget which.

Out of curiosity, where did you get those dates? The owner club's web-site has October ____ has final date. I'd like to know what I missed. Thans in advance.

Thanks for the heads-up. The date is November 10th and the page has been corrected

I saw that too this morning and thought I'd better place an order in case October ____ turned out to be today, whew!

Well, that would have been ok too as long as they started shipping today. James, are you sure the date wasn't today? Maybe you should double-check?

Jason

Well, I thought I would be able to get away with it. As impatient as I am, I was hoping I'd be able to do the Bill Me Later financing option on the huge order I was going to put in. I didn't actually think *I* would be approved, given my limited credit history, and I wasn't, but then I concocted a plan to utilize my parents' credit. I made my parents an offer, said they could take the EP600 off my hands if they put in the order for me. My dad liked that idea, but after trying under both my mother's and father's names, Bill Me Later still doesn't want to approve the order. I didn't foresee that possibility. So it looks like it's back to the layaway option. The good news is that there is a vacation time cashout coming up at work in the beginning of December. I will have 130-140 hours to cash out, so that will help. Also, my dad was considering giving me rent credit for the EP600, so that would help pay it off a little quicker, too. Still not the getting-it-right-at-launch that I was hoping for, but not terrible.

I think you are seing something a lot of people will experience over the next year or so. The companies running the financing are having a very hard time getting access to credit themselves.

At least this way when you get the sub, its all yours.

Actually, I think it's a problem with Bill Me Later... I have no idea of yours or your parents' credit, but am basing that opinion on my own experience with it when I ordered my first Axiom system. My credit score is in the top 1% (or so they told me on my last mortgage application), and I still got denied on the Bill Me Later. Don't feel bad, I think their approval logic is not entirely airtight.

Jason

I just need to learn patience. It will all be worth it when it's all paid off, though I really wanted to be able to rub all of your faces in it sooner. Ha ha. Really, though, it's better not to get involved with loan sharks, right? Right.

All right, I figured out that I can have the subwoofers paid off on February 9th, no problem. That doesn't even take into account the PTO cashout, though. With that, I'm looking at maybe December 29th. And if my dad is willing to give me rent credit for my EP600, I could potentially have it paid off on December 15th. Here's hoping that all works out. That would be amazing.

Pay it off by the 15th, and you can have 2 EP800s under the tree for Christmas... or really, if you have 2 EP800s you can just skip the tree. You want have any time for distractions at that point!

Jason

I was a week off in my calculations. It would be December 22nd. However, now my dad's talking about getting a loan from the bank. I think he really wants my EP600. Ha ha.

You're lucky. My dad's idea of home theater is to turn the TV up real loud like.

Well, my parents did go for the loan, and out of curiosity, they checked their credit scores. My dad had a 797, and my mom had an 806, so yeah, Bill Me Later is weird. Anyway, the subs are ordered. Now I just need to hurry up and pay my parents back since I hate that feeling of owing people. Almost as much as I hate that feeling of waiting for new toys.

Charles:
I don't want to make you feel guilty or anything, but when did you plan on sending me the subwoofer you promised me in that phone call last night? I mean, no big rush, I just know that you hate having things like this hanging over your head.

And I couldn't hear you too clearly (I know it's weird, but it sounded like you had an entire Costco Muffin stuffed in your face or something!) so I'm not sure if you said you were sending my an EP600 or an EP800.

Either one would be fine by me, just let me know which and when I should plan on being home to receive it.

Oh, and as much as I appreciate you telling me that you'll step aside to let me date Regina Spektor, YOU go ahead. Really. I know you really like her, so I wouldn't want to interfere with that.

We really ARE best buds like you said last night! Thanks again for the sub!

Thanks!

That is too good!

CV's sleep behaviors + the Jedi mind trick = Mark gets a new sub.

Well, that makes two of us who experienced the same thing. It's probably something Axiom should look into to be sure it's not a bug in the way they are passing information to Bill Me Later that causes its verification to fail...

I wonder how many people get to that point and give up. (wusses!)

Jason

Anything I promise you in my sleep is something you'll just have to dream about getting.

That's a good point, Jason. I figure SOME people have to be getting approved for Axiom to not be looking into it, and it makes me wonder WHO is getting approved.

Not me. I live in Canada and us Canadians only get to click on the pay-for-it-now button.

So I've recently ordered the epic 80 600 and I'm also thinking of upgrading it to the ep800. After seeing the above picture MarkSJohnson posted it has me thinking that that would be a great place to put the sub without having it take up more floor real estate. My question though is...
What are the odds that that would be the optimal place for it in a room and would there be any issues with it built into a cabinet with the center channel right above it? Would I be better off just getting the vertical version then if it does work out then just place it on its side??

Dyna - that's what I'd recommend. The only difference of vertical versus horizontal is where they put the screw holes for the feet and which direction the Axiom logo faces on the grill.

When I ordered my first 600 I ordered horizontal, but the location I had in mind didn't work out (didn't sound or look good), and I've had it standing up ever since. It definitely takes up significantly less space standing.

Jason

The plate / amp is the same orientation on both?

I was approved for the M80s ($1198) but not for the rest of the speakers ($3111). My credit is not that great so I was happy to get through even the first hoop, I suspect given Jason's example that there may be a steep cliff much above $1k where they tend to decline.

I'm basing my information on what JC told me when I asked him the same question, but I haven't personally seen both models. I'll confirm sometime in November when my EP800 gets here.

Alright thanks for the advice, vertical it is. Just about to make the call and see how much difference in price its going to be to upgrade and if they'll still let me do it. I'll keep you guys posted on how it goes. Wish me luck!

Good Luck!

Hey Dyna - what did you end up doing? Did you go for the upgrade?

Has anyone been asking Axiom what the latest ETA is for the EP800s? I'm crossing my fingers that they ship next week so they can arrive before The Dark Knight comes out on Blu-ray.

Geeze, I've sent several E-Mails, and gotten responses from Brent that I would be added to the owners club... Still no invite. So, no EP800 for me.

The owner's club thing seems to be finicky to the nth degree... I'm in the same boat, except I called and ordered one when I heard they came out. However, still no confirmation that I'm on the owner's club list, and I never received the e-mail other than forwarded directly from JC when I asked him to skip all the screwing around with the mail list and just send it to me.

CV - I called Axiom earlier this week and they still weren't willing to commit to dates, but said they 'hoped' that it'd be shipping in the next two weeks. I hate to say this because I know I got a deal on the 800, but man, I am getting frustrated with the wait and inability to pin down when it will be done. My raging head cold isn't helping my mood I'm sure. :grumble:

Yeah, waiting is something I've never been good at. And yeah, they gave us a deadline for preordering. It's only fair that we should be able to give a deadline for receiving our order. Really, though, I'm sure they're just making sure it's all up to snuff. *trying to justify it*

They probably used the pre-order to see if they could sell it. Now Ian is busy designing it! He he he.
Waiting sucketh.

I think Amie was handling the Member's Club stuff. If so, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a bit disorganized at the moment!

Hey, my previous post # was all threes. I was half evil for a minute there.

Good point, Mark. About the disorganization, I mean, not about you being half evil for only a minute.

Have I been half-evil forever or was I full-evil for just that minute?

Thanks I needed a good laugh!

No argument here! It's your turn to call and complain as nicely as possible and insist on a date (preferably less than or equal to 12/1). SatKartr and I will await your report back.

I just called and JC says that the subs are mostly built but they have upgraded a part and are waiting for the new part to arrive, shipping will not occur until "after the holidays," wasn't quite sure whether he meant to imply late Dec or early Jan.

That sound we just heard was Charles' head exploding.

Edit: I bet that would've sounded real cool if reproduced by an 800....

I wonder what part they upgraded.

I would think after the holidays would include New Year's. Darn.

My head, my heart, my bowels... They're all decorating the walls.

Man, you need to hire an interior decorator.

You are right, I also emailed Noreen to confirm my order and she states it will ship "most likely after New Year's."

Mark - that was my head exploding, not Charles'.

All I can say is... unreal... I was just told Friday that they'd almost certainly be shipping Monday. Then yesterday when I received no update Monday I was told to expect an update today, in which I received this totally unexpected additional delay...

I was really counting on having this here for Christmas. You guys all know I love Axiom, but the way this has been handled has really not given me a warm fuzzy. I'm quite bummed...

I wonder if Axiom pushed a little hard to get the EP800 on santa's list.

I love Axiom too (it's why I'm here almost every day).

Still, after 11 speakers bought, e-mails requesting invite, phone calls requesting invite...

No invite to the owners club.

I miss Amie.

man I'm glad I'm not waiting on one of these things. I would go insane!

Ditto that for me... owner's club and Amie.

Last post for 'axiom' = 12/1/08 and only 3 posts in November before that. It's quiet around here with only Alan from Axiom checking in regularly.

Disgruntled...

Hmmm. If you all pretend that my name is in red, it might lift your spirits.

Nope, even it was in pink and I had the invite.

Don't worry the password they gave me for the owners club does not even work .

Yeah, it would have been nice to be kept in the loop without having to keep asking what's going on (which I've personally only done once). I mean, they had no problem charging the account way back at the beginning of November. Two months will have elapsed before I *could* get my order. Yeah, more communication would have been nice.

Exactly what I wrote them tonight CV... it will be 3 months (or more) that they've had my money by the time they ship the EP800... fairly unreasonable, especially since I was originally told 5 weeks as the estimated time to build and ship. Hey, I realize dates slip, but like you said, the only way I received updates after those 5 weeks was to call... and I've done it much more than once, which I guess speaks to my relative impatience.

I know it can get frustrating to wait for something you really want and are given a so so date and it doesn't happen in that time frame. I would prefer that Axiom gets this sub right before shipping it out. I would be pissed if I got the EP800 and there was a flaw of some sort and I'd have to wait some more to get the problem fixed. I don't think they're doing this on purpose, things happen. It would drive me crazy if Axiom notified me every week with an update that the following week had to be changed. So after all this babbling I would say relax, forget and when you get that e-mail saying your order has been shipped it can be a happy day instead of, it should have been here on a certain date.
It could always be worse, you can have your broken TV sitting there waiting for some clown to come and repair it (sorry wid)

Mel N

I think that the two situations are somewhat comparable i.e. waiting, waiting, waiting, oh yeah longer then should be.

They should pay you interest for holding your money for so long! OH wait.. they did give you a super good deal on the sub so it's kind of like they already did

I think Axiom should come to their own defense on this one.

So do I... but I'm not sure anyone monitors these threads any longer now that Amie is gone.

Alan has said several times he doesn't read the water cooler (who can blame him?)

Jason

This vast wasteland of "What are you (blanking) tonight?"

Bren R.

Exactly.

Wait, since when does Bren read the WC?

That's all I read now?

Used to be Technical and Water Cooler... but JohnK usually gets to tech questions before I do...

And I used to post 14 pages of annotated technical documents and get "Oh OK my freind sayz monster is better ill buy that kthx" so I stopped.

Bren R.

Well the Monster may have been banished from here, at least for a while.

From another site I frequent, the stock response is; "sirch noob, everything that can be asked has been asked."

I've been thinking, and if the upgraded part gives the EP800 linear output down to 10 Hz, the wait will have been worth it.

Totally, JC told me it'll actually go down to -3 Hz once they get the new parts in.

Jason

So I called Axiom just now and Brent says the new estimate for the EP800s to begin shipping will be in two weeks.

After the holidays, indeed. Hopefully they had a nice relaxing holiday with our money, right?

Seriously, though, how many times do they get to say it will be two weeks? I estimate there will be another estimate in two weeks. There, now my hopes won't be up.

Maybe if you order another one they will come faster?

This is why companies should NOT give release date estimates. "We are working on making it (better)" is all they should feel obligated to say.

A delay in the release date means either that it isn't up to snuff yet, or that they found a bug or flaw in a release candidate that would have made you whine if you knew it was in the one you had.

So, take joy in the delays. It'll be that much better.

Yeah, I should either NOT preorder anything ever or learn to have a better attitude about the inevitable delays. Unfortunately, I'm drawn to the preorder discounts... but I figure the lack of reviews offsets the savings enough to where I don't want to have an indefinite wait on top of it. Still, if the delays are a necessary evil, lack of communication is not, and they should be sharing the progress more readily. Some may argue that they shouldn't have to take time out of this last bit of product development crunch to provide updates like that, but I have to believe it takes less time to update people on your own schedule than to take call after call from impatient people.

Just received an email back from Noreen, she states, sorry for the delay, ep800 should ship by the end of January. This goes well beyond what Hofstader's Law had led me to believe!

Wow, by the end of January? I didn't really want to be right about yet another new estimate.

Did I say January? I meant February. Ships on the 29th.

Yes right now it sucks to be you [and me, and let's not forget Jason/myrison if he hasn't already gotten fed up and canceled his order]. Here's to our luck changing real soon (and hopefully not a whole lot later). I betcha' we'll be pretty happy in the long run, O wait, I have a history of betting on the dark horse--Never mind!

The waiting sucks, yeah, but I'm not to the point of asking for my money back. It's still a compelling enough product that I'm not considering other options, and the preorder price is the other reason I wouldn't want to back out. But yeah, it will be nice when I can finally be tempted to take a sick day or two.

I'm still here... just decided to swallow my bitterness about the wait for awhile as I'm sure people were sick of hearing me whine.

Jason

It's all right. I carried the torch for a while.

Does anyone have a review on the EP800? I was about to buy either an SVS PB13 Ultra or Paradigm SUB-15, then noticed that the EP 900 is out so I'm considering one of those.

Mark

I don't know when professional reviews will surface. In the meantime, you may want to read through these threads:

My EP800s are HERE!

EP800: Initial Thoughts and Pictures

EP800 experiences