I have a 3310 connected via HDMI to the DVI input on my Panasonic 480p display. My sources are a Tivo S3 and PS3 phat, both connected via HDMI. If I use a 10' HDMI cable from the 3310 to the display, no issues. When I use a long cable (actually a 50' and 35' connected together), the screen flickers and doesn't sync.

Things I tried that did not work:
1) Force the Tivo output to 480p, rather than set it to Native.
2) Use different combinations of 50' and 35' cables, since I have 2 of each. None of the 4 combinations work.
3) Added an HDMI switch to see if that had some kind of amplifier to increase the signal at the plasma input. I tried this both at the plasma and the intersection of the 50' and 35' cables.
4) Try my HDMI sources on different HDMI inputs of the 3310. I've read that some have had luck because the signal path may be shorter on the lower inputs. No luck.

Now I know some may argue that the cable is too long. HOWEVER, I used the same cable (50' + 35') and moved it from the output of the 3310 and plugged it into the output of the PS3. Guess what, it worked. That tells me that the problem is related to the 3310.

Any ideas?

Update your 3310 to the latest firmware if you don't have it already. There also might be an underlying issue with the 3310 regarding DVI to HDMI.

Maybe try unplugging the Tivo and the T.V from the electrical outlet, wait a minute, re-connect everything and try again and see if it will sync.

Hi oldskool,

Apart from Dr. House's suggestion, I don't think there is any way to "fix" the Denon 3310. While HDMI output and input level standards are loosely adhered to, there is a considerable variation from one component to the next.

In your case, I suspect the Playstation 3 simply has a more robust HDMI output signal than the Denon, which is why the long cables worked with the PS3. On that note, the cables ARE very long. An engineer I worked with who was formerly with Axiom noted that once HDMI cables exceed about 30 feet in length, you're going to run into weak signal/intermittent problems. And he sat on the manufacturers' HDMI committee who set standards.

You can buy HDMI boosters but they're expensive.

Regards,
Alan

The only other solution I can think of is to eliminate the Denon from the video chain all together. Simply connect the Tivo S3 to the Panasonic TV.

Blue Jeans Cable does make their Series-1 Belden bonded-pair HDMI cable in 80+ foot lengths. It shouldn't have any trouble keeping a signal in spec over that distance.

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/hdmi-cables/hdmi-cable.htm

I also use a blue jeans long cable and can attest to its quality.

Yes, the BJC Belden Series 1 is a superb HDMI/DVI cable over long distances. Excellent build quality as well. Do note the cable is very stiff and lacks flexbility when managing the run to your equipment.

Cesar, there are three factors involved in HDMI transmission: the voltage output from the sending device; the loss in the connecting cable; the sensitivity of the receiving device. The output is supposed to be 5V, but as Alan points out, this varies. From your description, it does appear that low output from the 3310 is the problem, since the cables work directly out of the PS3(incidentally, 85' is pretty good; what are the cable brands and gauges?). The cable Chris mentions may have even lower losses which might be enough to do the job, but it does run over $200. An "extender" such as this one might boost the signal enough to overcome the 3310 in the circuit.

All of these are newly installed in wall cables, all from BJC.

Fortunately, it's a temporary problem. The garage (where I patched the 2 HDMI cables together) is really where the 3310 will finally be. But I wired my house such that I could put my AVR in both places, depending on what would work and how much time I had to unpack and rebuild my HT.

For now, I only watch the Tivo (just finishing up the entire 24 season to the finale, wow) so it's working directly connected to the plasma and I just have an optical cable to the 3310. I'm going to try a cheapo passive amplifier and if it doesn't work, I'm only out a few bucks and I have another HDMI adpater.

JohnK,

If it works well, that HDMI extender would seem to be the solution for weak-signal HDMI problems and long cable runs. I had no idea these devices were so affordable.

Thanks for the link.

Regards,
Alan

Problem solved. On ebay, I found a $12 passive amplifier. Pretty much it was a female-female adapter. I used it at the plasma receiver side and voila, 85' of patched HDMI cable works.

OK, now I have a bigger problem.

My 3310 HDMI output no longer seems to work. I tried 2 monitors and get no signal. (Yes, I used shorter cables just to get the adapters out of the equation.) I can't even get the OSD to come up. Any clues what to look at before I call Denon?

Almost 2 months later, Denon service comes back and says they can't fix it. They replaced the HDMI board after waiting weeks for it. No go. Then they replaced a few other parts. No go. Today, they finally allowed a request for a replacement. After all this time, it better be a 3320.

Thanks for the update. I always thought that Denon CS was suppose to be pretty good but that sounds more like something Onkyo would do.

This is not their direct support. It is a 3rd party vendor near my office. I've had good luck w/ them before years ago w/ my Panny plasma w/ a stuck pixel. Panny replaced the plasma, but only because I found the name of the West Coast support engineer on AVS and he helped me out. I was almost going to do the same thing w/ Denon if they didn't hurry up.

My Denon repair shop here couldn't fix my 3808 (they had it for 2 months) when I blew it up and it went to Denon themselves, they repaired it in a day and it was back in my hands a few days later. Nothing beats true OEM repairs.