Hello... i'm terribly eager to place an order for a pair of M60tis after reading so much about them.. however.. I would like to enquire where all Axiom speakers together with the parts within, are made/manufactured/assembled.
thanks.
=)
Assembled in Canada at the Axiom factory, and shipped direct from there. As for individual components, I don't know....
i believe the actual woofers and tweeters are made in china from an axiom contractor, then shipped to the axiom plant in canada. there, they actually make/cut the speaker boxes, assemble the speakers and electronics, and apply the covering and ship.
i think that is right, but please, someone chime in if i am incorrect.
bigjohn
Oh no... cause i've had tons and tons of china assembled stuff, from the harmon receivers to earlier versions of moniters and speakers and they DIED after 2 yrs or so.. sigh... hope that the axioms are made SOLELY in canada, and no where else.. will email the company direct then.. thanks guys
trev- while i can respect your concern due to your prior experiences, i can assure you that these are top grade speakers, top to bottom. many of the people on this board have had their speakers for several years, and experienced no probs at all.
while i cant say you will 'never' have any probs yourself, i can say that these aint no top shelf wal-mart speakers. you will be buying one of the most economical speakers in the 'high-end' speaker market. axioms compete with, and often exceed the performance of most top grade speakers, regardless of price.
i encourage you to contact axiom and get answers to your concerns. but have no fear, these speakers cut no corners, and their performance and customer service record speaks for itself.
bigjohn
Thanks john... awaiting a reply from the ppl at axiom... will keep u guys posted. =)
The 60s come with a 5 year warranty, and Axiom customer service is among the best I've ever encountered. What are your concerns?
I have to agree that I would like the idea of thinking that the drivers are hand assembled by German craftsmen, but the truth is that in ANY country, there are products that are manufactered cheaply and others that are manufactured very well. I think the determining factor is NOT in which country the drivers originate, but rather how strict Axiom's requirements for quality control are. All indications (based upon the incredible reviews of owners) is that these speakers are NOT cheaply made, therefore I'm not really concerned with the country of origin of the drivers.
It would be different if people were reporting failing Axioms, but I'm not reading anywhere that that's the case. And don't forget: China has a space program, too!
Agreed. I don't remember a single post relative to quality issues of the innards, including the components made in China. It's the quality control on the specs that Axiom provides that is important. In the very few posts I've seen relative to some type of problem, the problem always stems from either damage or something needing to be tightened. In both instances the problem resolution is quick and effective.
One thing I have always found remarkable is what a nice job the speakers do in converting the language running through the Chinese components back to english so I can understand the dialog on my DVDs. It's virtually seamless.
ray- and to think i actually thought you were gonna make it thru a post without making one bad joke. guess not
bigjohn
Critics! Everywhere ya go, critics!
Well, bad jokes are better than no jokes at all. Or perhaps bad jokes ARE no jokes. I'll study this and get back to you.
most electronics, woofers, tweeters, and other parts are NOT made in native America or Canida. Even the most expensive Flat Panel/HDTV at your local BestBuy or Cicuit City are made in China. If you think Axiom's drivers are inferior then you are wrong, I'm willing to bet most comparable brand like B&W, Paradigm, PSB, and other companies also have their woofers and tweeters made in China or Malaysia.
I understand your concern, I to posted the same question a few months ago, but purchasing these speakers was the best thing I could have done. My brother in law runs a local professional recording studio, and he loves B&W's, but once he listened to my setup, and I told him what they cost, he is having second doubts on my he spent so much on his configuration.
Check out this link below, it is from Chesseroo, one of our members, he recently went on a plant tour. It is possible the woofers and tweeters are manufactured elsewhere, like most speaker mfg's, but all mfg/testing/research and specification requirments are done at Axiom.
http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=first&Number=41458&page=&view=&sb=&o=
just do it, you'll luv em, like we all do....
Just a quick note on Paradigm, taken from a Stereophile review...
"Paradigm is one of the few speaker manufacturers with the resources to take such a "vertically integrated" approach to manufacturing. Virtually every part of every speaker bearing the Paradigm logo is made in their own manufacturing facilities. They even machine the metal molds that they then use to make the plastic parts. The manufacturing enterprise is supported by an extensive research lab that features a huge anechoic chamber, as well as a listening room for double-blind listening tests."
so you'd think they would sound a little better for the price they are charging for 'em?
bigjohn
Touché... and to think, I'm sitting in my living room listening to Diana Krall's "The Girl in the Other Room" on my Studio 60's thinking how amazing it sounds. Of course, I'm listening to it on a little Cayin tube amp, not a crappy HT receiver... maybe that the difference ;o)
i dont question the fact that paradigms sound good, i auditioned them before i bought axioms. my point was, they are entirely too dang expensive.
i would dare to guess that a pair of axiom M60's would sound just as good as those studio 60's, at about 50%-70% less..
now THATS a difference. but, if you are the type of guy with money to burn, then more power to ya, cause i aint!
bigjohn
Actually, that's the beauty of living in Canada. So many great Canadian speaker manufacturers here, so prices are fantastic. I picked up my Studio 60s for < the Axiom M60's would have been ($1,000 CAD taxes in).
Listen to your music, instead of your equipment. If they sound good, reliable, and affortable, then who care if they were made in Africa or Thailand? Axiom has been in business for awhile and how often do you hear people complaint about their woofer or tweeter being burned out or blown? seldom. Most of the time those accidents were cause by user error or hardcore abuse anyway, shipping damaged doesn't count either. Sometime these folks really crack me up when they try to avoid buying audio gears made in 3rd world country, but atleast 50% of their houseware and electronic are made in China!! Turn around your computer monitor, mouse, or the keyboard you're using now, and look for the label. That's right...MADE IN CHINA!! LOL :-)
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Turn around your computer monitor, mouse, or the keyboard you're using now, and look for the label. That's right...MADE IN CHINA!! LOL :-)
That's true on my PC, but my Mac stuff is made in Malaysia and Taiwan.
the chinese food i get is made in the U.S.A. go figure
yeah....and fortune cookies are a japanese-american invention.
General Tso Chicken rocks, but i have heard it is manufactured in Canada
Oh well.. just got a reply from the axiom sales ppl.. yups.. confirmed that the drivers are manufactured at their plant in china... the rest is assembled in Canada.
Oh well.. will go ahead with my purchase with the M60s based on reviews... I know this sounds bad, but oh well... i do know it's the Qlty control that matters and such.. but the only monitors that have lasted >5 yrs without a replacement with or without warrenties, are my Mackies which are 100% in the US,together with my Cerwin subs. Other than that, the Hsus, A.Research, just to name a few, have all died or been replaced at least once within 5 years.. i guess it's just me and the way i use them.
You've had non-active speakers that didn't last more than 5 years?
I work mainly in the sound engine line, and generally, the active ones (mostly mackies) lasted longer than the passive (misc china made ones under big companies) ones.. surprisingly... hmmm
Yikes. I'd hope that's just bad luck. Or maybe you like your tunes REALLY LOUD?
I think it's to do with my studio's amps... running really high... sigh.. oh well... looking forward to my m60s nonetheless...
trev2401, I assume you're palapala as well and I think you will LOVE the M60s, they're wonderful speakers and I hope you enjoy them as much as we all do. :-)
By the way, what upper links are you going to use and how many watts are you going to feed them?
I was thinking the same thing, their posts seem very similar in nature....
hehe...both of them have the exact same writing style (especially with the "sigh...") and were asking the same question within an hour, and both spoke with Axiom and then bought the M60s, so they have got to be the same person. :-) It's alright though, I suppose that's an interesting way to get more respond. LOL
In addition, they signed up as a member about an hour apart on 11/1/04, 9:19am and 10:26am.
I guess some people have more time on the their hands to do silly things...
The only person that would know is the board admin. It would be very easy to look at the logged IP addresses.
Doesn't matter as long as they BOTH behave themselves. As we all know, we've had some double posters who haven't.
You can say that again.
But hopefully not again...
Hey, speaking of that. Has anybody seen this great deal?
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Yeah I know, I'm bad.......but I know it and that has to count for something!
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we've had some double posters who haven't.
AXIOM SUCKS.....paper woofers, SUCK.. cardboard cabinets, SUCK.. wallpaper coverings, SUCK... canadians, japanese, chinese, taiwanese, and all the other ese's, SUCK..
POOP TERDS..... my momma can make a better speaker..
BLAH!!! BLAH!!! hate me troller.. hate, hate.. YUCK!!
you all eat doody pies.. go ralph nader!!
i smear green boogers on axioms..
johnisbig
It sure is nice when people with such high IQ's become members
Johnisbig = bigjohn. What a Texas twerp!
johnisbig.....Hmmmm!?
Could be bigjohn pulling a prank?
Oh yeah! I smear black Axioms on your green boogers and raise you two doody pies!
GTF out!!!
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That's what the reference is from. I knew it was familiar.
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Did you like that movie? I hadn't laughed that hard in a movie in a long time. When my son and I saw it at the theater, we were the only ones laughing our a$$es off. I know the folks around us must have thought we were crazy.
Funniest movie since Office Space.
I literally had to avert my eyes from the screen when he was about to start his skit after Pedro's election speech.
It was brilliant. I went with a friend and I think we laughed the hardest and loudest. I was amazed that it was an MTV film. There are just too many lines to quote in that film. But the topper was the dance number to jamariqui wearing moon boots.
jr
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Funniest movie since Office Space.
No doubt! It has that same kind of quirky, innocent indie film charm like
The Gods Must be Crazy.
I'm definitely going to add this one to my DVD collection.
Alright, I'll bite. What movie are you guys talking about?
Hey guys.. it's me again.. and no, i'm not double posting.. and it is indeed sad to see such a post here by that johnisbig person.. ... well.. get a life... btw, the m60s arrived and i'm in the process of breaking them in. Decided not to feed them with my tubes, and stick to a basic yamaha ht receiver (2400). Will keep u guys posted on the running in. =)
breaking in the M60?? uh oh... :-)
Trev2401, you'll get lots of opinions on whether or not "break in" is real. When I first switched my m22's to my m60's I "heard" a difference. The treble was fatiguing and harsh for about the first hour or two. Then all was well. Take this with a grain of salt because its only my opinion. Enjoy your new toys, richeydog.
I wonder why Ian never put in his 2cents regarding breaking in speakers, I would love to hear some input from the owner regarding this.
Can we just...not.... this time? Please?
Actually, he has.
And so has Alan.
very interesting, Ian needed 2 hours to break in while Alan dismissed it as myth, so who should we believe, Ian or Alan? :-)
Time to start another poll...
I may not be helping, but it's not honest to only present data from your side of things. That's what lawyers do.
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very interesting, Ian needed 2 hours to break in while Alan dismissed it as myth, so who should we believe, Ian or Alan? :-)
The way I read it, Ian's response of running each speaker for two hours was more of a quality control thing...
Pmbuko, maybe I ought to call out Ian and have him lay down more inputs, poll probably won't cut it as we all had already went down that road. ;-)
Mark, true...but I'm wondering if Ian think it would improve or change the way these speakers sound afterward.
They test every speaker at the factory, AFAIK. Therefore, they come broken in, if breaking in happens during that 2 hour process Ian describes. Therefore, you don't need to break them in! QED.
Since it's not going away, I figured I'd just throw that in...
hmmm...yea, the question was, during that 2 hours period of breaking in or testing in the factory, did the sound improved or changed?????
Without doing the whole testimonial and "look at this thread" thing, the only thing you are really breaking in are your ears and your brain. I think Alan gently walks folks down that path and I agree with him. Sorry Ken - I just couldn't help myself.
Break....in....thread........must....not....post....no good can come from it....
Can we agree on this :
- some people think the speakers sound a bit harsh when they first set them up
- after a few hours (sometimes more but not often) the harshness seems to go away and the sound is real good
- honest men differ on what is actually happening
I briefly had an old and new VP100 side by side AND FORGOT TO COMPARE HOW THEY SOUNDED until the new one had... um... broken in. STUPID STUPID STUPID.
John - an elegant, thoughtful and all-encompassing answer. My plan now is to step quietly away from this thread in the hopes the madness doesn't ignite.
An excellent answer. I like it!
>>My plan now is to step quietly away from this thread...
You're a braver man than me. My plan was to toss out a distraction then run like hell !!
totally agreed Ray3, break in, come on...maybe if we add a little Castrol GTX that will hurry up the break in period.
Since the Axiom main page says that Axioms adhere to rigid scientific measurement standards and PSYCHOACOUSTICAL protocals, does that mean they are playing "Head Games" with some of us and placing subliminal messages in our heads to follow the breakin bandwagon....
I love it when we agree to disagree, yipeee
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This just kills me how a thread about Axioms being built in a Chinese restaurant, gets hijacked by such fine, personable folks.
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