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I gotta say though...the denon 3805 still is just not worth the price compared to the Pioneer 1015tx



I had both of these also and although I agree in principal I'm not sure the comparison is fair. The Denon has far more advanced user settings then the Pioneer and is a little bit more flexible. I do however agree that when the Denon 3805 first came out it was way overpriced given what else was out there. The Pioneer on the other hand is a great receiver and came out at a decent price right off the bat.