sushi, after listening to the 22's i know if will buy a sub if i go that way. i can't afford the 60's and a sub,and since i haven't listend to the 60's, i don't know if i'll be happy listening to the 60's w/o one. Also, I don't know if the 60's are more placement sensitive. I listen in very non-audiophile living/dining room. 14x30, 90%glass wall on one long wall, hardwood floors, sheet rock, minimal soft stuff - couch, 2 club chairs, no soft on walls, no book cases. Hope I haven't scared you away with that description.