thank you alan for the info its nice to know that they will help me get all the performance that i can out of my amp with a price that is resonable. I think we all know from the prices of there speakers that axiom supplies good product for great prices. I assume that in this case its no difference. I will also be ordering a pair to go with my nad c320bee that i will getting for christmass i am sure they will be a step up from the 16 gauge clear crap cable i have now