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im just pondering... eventually when i buy a new receiver/pre pro and a 5 channel amp, would sticking a outlaw icbm inbetween these two be ideal? i know its not what its meant for, but wouldnt it be alot better than using the receiver's x-over? like i'd just set all the receiver ones to large?

What's your receiver/pre-pro+amp budget? Outlaw's new 1070 receiver($900) and their 990 pre($1200?) have all the bass management built in. I suspect more and more products will have this as time goes by. I have heard SACD/DVD-A using an ICBM and it sounds great, and you could pick up a B stock unit for $199+shipping.

i was thinking either outlaw 1070, or like a denon 3805 refub which would cost like half that of the 1070, however does the 1070 have independant x-overs for each channel like the icbm?

The 1070 gives users several options:

there's an analog crossover that's fixed at 80hz, and a quadruple digital x-over you can set each speaker differently(front L/R, Center, surrounds and sub...I think!)
http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/1070.html

Can someone fix this link?

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/1070.html

The ICBM was primarily intended as a bass management system for the universal DVD players that lacked sufficient bass management in the 5/6 channel direct mode while playing SACD's and DVD-A's.
This pretty much covers just about most of the universal players with the exception of some of the *much* more expensive units.

I've been told that if you have a processor/receiver with a good bass management the ICBM will not do anything different that the pro/receiver will do, and actually that incorporating an ICBM into the receiver (except direct mode on SACD/DVD-A's) will take away the speaker delay setting on your pro/receiver.

From the Outlaw site...

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The ICBM Bass Management System for Digital Audio

The Outlaw Audio ICBM-1 is a sophisticated, audiophile-grade six-channel bass management system designed to be used with DVD-Audio or SACD players. $249

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I've got one coming myself in a day or so and in a few days I'll let you know how I like it. I hear for the systems that don't have bass management and the universal players that lack bass management while playing SACD's and DVD-A's the thing is wonderful.

Please keep us posted on your experience with ICBM Rick!

I will Skerdi, I was told that the speaker delay would be an issue whenever it is incorporated with the overall system, but others are telling me that if I can hear a millisecond time difference with my own ears then I should be in the A/V business. I'm just going to play around with it and see.

No, Darren, using an ICBM wouldn't be "a lot better" in most circumstances. As Rick pointed out, the question is whether there's good bass management. Most receivers have it except for playing DVD-As/SACDs, which rely on the player for bass management. If you're going to do a lot with DVD-As/SACDs and don't have a player which applies good bass management to them, then an ICBM would be useful, otherwise it isn't essential.

well the main reason was that i wanted to set the x-overs accordingly for each of my speakers, if i get the 1070, i should be covered "Quadruple Crossover Control (Separate settings for Front L/R, Center, Surround L/R, Surround Back L/R)" however if i go with the denon 3805 i would have to deal with one x-over for the whole system (i think)