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#149527 - 10/17/06 08:35 PM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: KenOntko]
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Registered: 10/16/06
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Loc: Ottawa, Ontario
Hi Kent,

Umm, I wish I had a "pair of 50" plasmas" . Thanks for the info, much appreciated. I had a very similar experience using my original HT setup which was Energy Pro 3.5s bookshelfs for the fronts coupled with my current ES-10 sub. Although they performed very well together crossed over at the proper point there were still a noticeable gap between the fronts and sub. This is one of the reasons I upgraded to full towers, to lessen the dependancy of using a sub and to get a fully sound with less overall effort (speaker wise that it), I still love using the sub to augment the lower octaves but the gap is not as evident, if at all. I have said it a few times already, I like the use of a sub with my mains to get that extra punch and low end, I love bass, I play bass guitar and my bass amp has a 15" driver and 2 X 10" drivers and amp is all tube . So, Bass is my friend I am really not convinced that I am hearing the true nature of the Veritas 2.3s and that is why I am currently not keen on just "add the sub" and forget about it option just yet. Once I am satisfied that I am getting the best sound out of those 2.3s via room placement, acoustic treatments etc..when that "time" finally comes where I can say, OK, that's the best I can do with those, then I will dial in just the right amount of sub back in the equation.

Cheers,

Stephane
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#149528 - 10/17/06 08:41 PM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: Wid]
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Thanks Kcarlile and Wid, I will check out the image posting procedures and await the feedback of the 2 Johns.

Hey I just noticed , I am not a NEWBIE anymore !!

I am now a "regular" Now only 4980 more post to go to axiomite ?

Correction: a Frequent Flyer


Edited by Riker (10/17/06 08:42 PM)
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#149529 - 10/17/06 08:44 PM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: Riker]
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Some pics of that nice equipment never hurts anything either
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#149530 - 10/17/06 08:49 PM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: Wid]
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I hear you Loud and Clear !

As soon as I figure out the picture posting procedure and get some decent pics I will post them.

I just want to say that all of you guys have been great in responding to my original post and providing advice / opinions etc.. it's refreshing to be able to share the same passion for audio, and it's frustrations, with other like minded people, especially when we can all speak the same "language"

Thank you all !!
Stephane
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#149531 - 10/17/06 08:56 PM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: Riker]
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If you want to email the picture to me I can host it for you. johnb then a little at thingy followed by interlog.com

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#149532 - 10/17/06 09:09 PM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: bridgman]
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Thanks John, that's very good of you to offer. I will take some pics tomorrow evening and send a few your way for posting. What resolution is prefered ?

Thanks again,

Stephane
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#149533 - 10/17/06 09:36 PM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: Riker]
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Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
Just think "small is beautiful". I'm on a 26Kbps dial-up line out in the boonies so something like 800x600 is ideal. You can send something larger and I'll shrink it down using Paint, or you can shrink it first, up to you.

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#149534 - 10/17/06 09:49 PM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: bridgman]
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Ok..Dial up .. I'll keep that in mind.. I might be able to use a local buddy's web site as a staging area as well. I really do appreciate your assistance but I would rather not put a load on your dial up bandwidth if I can, it's your posting time I would be cutting into :-)I will let you know. Thanks again,

Cheers,
Steph
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#149535 - 10/17/06 10:18 PM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: Riker]
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Okay Steph, my first thought was that maybe you were sitting in the middle of the room in a bass null, but as much as I was able to follow that isn't the case. Maybe can figure something from pictures/diagram.

You apparently really like your bass, so let me ask about the situation when you did use the sub and calibrated its level. Was the measured calibration inadequate and did you set the sub quite a bit "hot" to achieve a more satisfactory effect? As you may gather, I'm exploring the possibility that the elevated bass level you prefer isn't going to be supplied by any main speakers.
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#149536 - 10/18/06 08:05 AM Re: M80s for HT and Music [Re: JohnK]
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Hi John,

I to figured there was a bass null at my listening position and this is why: When I am standing up in front of the speakers, about 3 feet in front, I hear lot's of bass from the speaker themselves, in fact I can "feel" some of the air moving if they are loud enough. Of course, imaging, soundstage etc.. is completely off since I am way to close to them and my head is good 2.5 feet above them. As I back up, still standing, I start to notice a slight decrease in bass output, but when I sit down on my chair, I loose 80% of the bass. It just goes away, the high end, imaging, soundstage is just fine since I am in the "sweet spot" but the bass is just gone. I also notice quite a big bump in the mids, they sound thin from the lack of extension and over pronounced. If I stand up again, the bass comes back and as I walk closer to the speakers I get all the bass back. I just wished I could hear / feel the same bass output sitting down 12 feet in front as I do standing 3 feet in front. So my very first thought was, bass null caused by standing wave due to hard reflective surfaces ie: concrete. At this point I am considering either buying or building Bass traps and corner load them. If only there was an "easy" way for me to actually measure the acoustics of the room and have a graph showing where the peaks and valleys were I could then address them via acoustic treatments or furniture etc..

Although my listenin position is 4' away from the back wall, it is not to far off being in the "centre" of the room, I would say my head is at least 1/3 of the way towards the centre.

As for the Sub, when I am sitting down at my listening position and switch modes from stereo to "stereo plus sub" the difference is night and day, And I do not have to dial in my sub past 4 or 5 (out of 10) to get a good integration volume wise. Any more than that and the sub tends to take over the overeall sound and as much as I like making the house shake once in a while, I strive for a balance that merges the sub with the fronts so that no "one" frequency is significantly predominant. I don't mind running my sub ALL the time with the mains if that is the only way I will get a good overall sound, but it is really anoying me that those veritas, in my listening position, whithout a sub, sound completely anemic, thin etc..It colours the rest of the great highs and mids these speakers are capabable of.

At the end of the day, if there is indeed nothing wrong with the room and that is just "the way it is" with the speakers then I will either have to live with it or try different speakers. But I won't know that until I can either measure the room or try different things and record the changes.

Stephane
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