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#185462 - 11/25/07 11:53 AM Re: Denon 3808CI – one week later [Re: michael_d]
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I like the GUI being an overlay. That's something I would have liked on the Integra, especially for adjusting lip sync. There are plenty of options on the Integra, but it looks like there's even finer control on this Denon. Sounds like a great unit.

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#185478 - 11/25/07 02:13 PM Re: Denon 3808CI – one week later [Re: michael_d]
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4825
Loc: western canada
Superb review of the receiver.
You must be getting good at it considering how many you've owned now.
I have had no reason to change out my 6.1 Onkyo DS797 since we bought it, though i've been contemplating moving to a 7.1 unit and because i like alot of the Onkyo features, i may stay with that brand. A friend owns a Denon and i found the rooting around the menu very unintuitive.
I think it is common ground to have crappy, horribly translated manuals.


 Originally Posted By: mdrew
There are four HDMI 1.3 inputs and one, HDMI 1.3 output.

This feature is a plus and a minus depending on your uses. I like the capability of video switching and having only one input being used on the video display for wire runs, but sometimes i want to play music but watch a game on the tv. Once i select dvd or cd on the receiver, the video gets flipped over accordingly.
I can setup the other way of wiring but then would have to change (add) to the startup sequence for any different activity.
Does this sound as confusing as it does to write it?

 Originally Posted By: mdrew
I’d suggest that you make sure the kids aren’t running around making noise and you do it when no one will interrupt you. If during the set up there is extra ambient noise and you need to re-do a position, you get to start from the beginning again (yes, it happened to me).

Phone ring?
Dog bark?
Spousal complaint?
;\)
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#185499 - 11/25/07 05:33 PM Re: Denon 3808CI – one week later [Re: chesseroo]
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Registered: 06/20/03
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Mike, that was an EXCELLENT review. I found it not only enjoyable but also compelling.

So, what I hear you saying is, you've had this thing for over a week and it hasn't caught on fire even one time? Amazing.

Based on your experience (especially with the GUI), Denon might just be able to retain me as a customer after all.

Just great, Mike. Thank you so much.
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#185513 - 11/25/07 06:59 PM Re: Denon 3808CI – one week later [Re: michael_d]
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Registered: 02/07/07
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Loc: New York
 Originally Posted By: mdrew
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Hansang,

I didn’t need, or really want to buy this receiver or do it to replace the Marantz. I would have preferred to wait a few months and see what Sherwood Newcastle comes out with, or Rotel. Unfortunately, I’m on my second SR/8001 that replaced a defunct unit. The second one also has issues that required me to send it in for evaluation. I decided to just buy something different and I’ll peddle whatever Marantz sends back to me. I do prefer this Denon over the Marantz though. So maybe this will work out….


I see. Thanks for the follow-up. I don't really have any reason to switch it out, other than it's a pain to get the FW upgraded on the Marantz (having to haul it in to a service center in Manhattan is a MAJOR pain). I'm also curious how much better Master Audio is as well. Maybe not $1500's worth, but curious non the less
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#185514 - 11/25/07 07:04 PM Re: Denon 3808CI – one week later [Re: Hansang]
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Registered: 04/04/07
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Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma
funny, coming straight off the marantz website:\

After all, killing a Marantz (besides being almost impossible to do) is an entertainment felony of the first order.

http://us.marantz.com/Products/2205.asp#

I guess that statement has been proven wrong


Edited by terzaghi (11/25/07 07:04 PM)
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#185520 - 11/25/07 08:09 PM Re: Denon 3808CI – one week later [Re: terzaghi]
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They underestimated Mike.

Wise people have learned not to.
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#185585 - 11/26/07 07:59 AM Re: Denon 3808CI – one week later [Re: chesseroo]
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Registered: 10/05/06
Posts: 6807
Loc: PEI, Canada
Thanks for the pics of the on screen interface. I was curious to see how much it improved over the old mainframe looking style of old. Impressive.
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#185706 - 11/26/07 10:46 PM Re: Denon 3808CI – one week later [Re: Murph]
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Registered: 04/04/07
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Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma
I ran the audessey eq auto setup, The distances were pretty spot on for most the speakers, but it said the sub was 20 feet away when it is like 11?

Also at the end the the sub was set to like -12 db?!?

It showed the crossover for my center channel as 40 hz, and for the mains it was blank.

hmmm, going to have to toy with the results here... not sure

what do you think mdrew? how do I fix the sub reading? I had the crossover set to bypass, trim to flat, and volume at about 60% during the test... did I do something wrong?
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#185724 - 11/26/07 11:50 PM Re: Denon 3808CI – one week later [Re: terzaghi]
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Registered: 12/29/05
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Loc: Central,California
If you really get into the Denon manual it will explain the reason for the distance of the sub, internal circuitry delays or some other tech stuff, I can't get the precise words for it but it's not a problem and all the Denon's seem to do it. Can't explain why your mains don't show anything though.
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#185734 - 11/27/07 12:57 AM Re: Denon 3808CI – one week later [Re: HomeDad]
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Registered: 04/04/07
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Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma
I guess it is because the denon set the sub to LFE only, not LFE+ mains, so no crossover there.

I changed the sub value to 10.2 ft, and increased it from -12 db (which audessey automatically picked) to closer to like -5 db. The gain is at about 60% on the sub...

Is this too much of a change? I do not have an SPL meter,

Also, do I want to set the sub to LFE+ mains and put a crossover? for some reason the audessey set up did not do this.


Edited by terzaghi (11/27/07 01:09 AM)
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