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#200764 - 03/17/08 05:56 PM SVS PB12-NSD and the EP600
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Well I just got back home and unloaded the 74lb SVS after a rather quick session at Mojo's, as always it was a pleasure to get together with him once again.

After some initial listening and finally equalizing sub output(dead battery in the SPL meter), we had to run the SVS at near max volume output in order to have the subs equalized in Mojo's large room. We put in the venerable depth charge scene from U-571, as we both know this scene very well by now. The SVS appeared to have more impact than the EP600 but the EP600 was able to fill the room with LFE easier than the little SVS. With each explosion there was a definite slam from the PB12 while the EP600 would hit, but not as pronounced as the SVS. I prefered the SVS in this instance.

We moved on to the Eagles DVD - Live from Melbourne, Disc 2 - Dirty Laundry. The thump from the SVS was very pronounced compared to the Axiom, Tex's wife said she preferred the smoother more subdued sound of the EP600 than the harder punchiness of the PB12-NSD. I liked the pounding of the sub during this song, but after awhile at the loud levels we were listening, I too think I would have preferred the Axiom over the SVS for a long listening session. I know in my own house I usually never play it that loud and do not find the sub to be that over the top with the low notes, so I am not sure what to make of the difference. I guess maybe I am not as much of a bass freak I think.

Well I am still deciding on whether or not to bring the big PB13 - Ultra in and have a listen or sit tight with the PB12 which I am very happy with.
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#200772 - 03/17/08 07:20 PM Re: SVS PB12-NSD and the EP600 [Re: jakewash]
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Interesting. The EP600 is such a monster sub compared to the PB12-NSD.

So when are ya gonna put it up against an EP350 and how do you think the 350 will fair?
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#200775 - 03/17/08 07:35 PM Re: SVS PB12-NSD and the EP600 [Re: fredk]
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I think volume-wise, the 600 and SVS are pretty close.

I wish we had the 350 to compare to but going from memory, the 350 does not have as much "thump" to it and is definitely more elegant with its presentation. I remember that I was very impressed with the 350 when it came to music. For movies, I wouldn't say that the SVS trounces it but it does have an advantage. I wish Axiom would combine the "thump" of the 350 with the smoothness and transparency of the 600. Maybe that's not technically possible. I don't know but I'll keep harping on it until I get a satisfactory answer \:\) .

I personally would take the 350 over this SVS. But I would take the SVS over all of the other subs that people brought over. Jason, can you remind us what they all were?

Also see my post on this same topic.


Edited by Mojo (03/17/08 07:37 PM)

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#200779 - 03/17/08 07:44 PM Re: SVS PB12-NSD and the EP600 [Re: Mojo]
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What exactly does elegant mean? Do you think it is more detailed than the SVS the way the M80 reveals more detail than the M60?

I must say, even thought I didn't compare the 350 to any other sub, it seemed very good with music. The bass definately became more transparend with the sub.

I know Axiom makes very good speakers across the line, but it seems like the sub market is a lot more competitive.
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#200781 - 03/17/08 07:48 PM Re: SVS PB12-NSD and the EP600 [Re: fredk]
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Elegant means that I hear textures rather than one or two single notes (boom, boom). Does that help \:\) ? It's so difficult to describe but once you hear it you'll totally understand.

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#200801 - 03/17/08 09:17 PM Re: SVS PB12-NSD and the EP600 [Re: Mojo]
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I know exactly what you mean. Put another way, you hear the instrument as opposed to the music/notes. I experienced a little of that when I listened to Paradigm studio 40s then 60s. I got that in spades with the vp350.

Sigh, I guess that means I probably wouldn't be satisfied with the SVS PB10-NSD (or whatever all the right letters are) at $500.
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#200805 - 03/17/08 09:38 PM Re: SVS PB12-NSD and the EP600 [Re: fredk]
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All the subs we have heard to date would be your EP600, A Hsu STF3 Mk2(Not sure if was mk2 or mk3), My old piece of ...., your Sony, the EP400, the Velodyne DLS-5000R, The EP350v3 and now the PB12-NSD.

I have also heard the Paradigm DSP3100 which I liked quite abit, and it sounded much closer to the EP350v3 only it couldn't pressurzie the room nearly as well as the 12" driver but it did come close and it is a bit less than the EP350 at $599.

Fred, if the EP400 hurt your ears you wouldn't want the PB12, but the PB 10 might be better as the 10" won't pressurize the room as much. I would recommend you have a listen to the aforementioned DSP-3100 at your local Paradigm retailer, I think you might like it very much. I am still trying to get my dealer to let me try out a DSP-3200 it has the 12" driver and 100W(I think) more amp, but it is actually slightly more than the EP350, the DSP-3200 is $799. The Paradigm subs have an upper cut off at 150hz like the EP400.

I am leaning very much towards bringing in the big PB13-Ultra, mostly just to hear it, as all the reviews of it say it is one of the best out there. It would be over kill for my room but it would be the last sub I should need if I ever move into a larger house or make my room bigger. The FR is flatter than the PB12 - NSD so it would be interesting to see if it still has that thump to it.
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#200810 - 03/17/08 10:07 PM Re: SVS PB12-NSD and the EP600 [Re: jakewash]
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Jason. I suspect you are right about the PB12 and I have been thinking about that Paradigm sub you mentioned.

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I am leaning very much towards bringing in the big PB13-Ultra, mostly just to hear it

Next thing you know, you're going to be posting 'wall of sub' pics like MikeC at audioholics. ;\)
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#200812 - 03/17/08 10:19 PM Re: SVS PB12-NSD and the EP600 [Re: fredk]
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 Originally Posted By: fredk
Next thing you know, you're going to be posting 'wall of sub' pics like MikeC at audioholics. ;\)



I don't think so, I have the advantage of returning the subs I get, Mike would go broke paying for shipping both ways to the Phillipines.
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#201860 - 03/25/08 04:08 PM Re: SVS PB12-NSD and the EP600 [Re: jakewash]
fredk Offline
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Oh Jaaasooon....

Almost as good as a Fathom for 1/3 the price: must... not... cl... oh Darn!

;\)
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