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#204137 - 04/13/08 03:30 PM Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference [Re: jakewash]
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Is not a few inches, the center of the two tweeters on the M80 is at 36 inches, give or take an inch, the center of the tweeter on the M3 on the stands is about 12 inches higher...the difference is one foot more or less, that, in 8 feet distance is a lot...

I was thinking on the stands, at least 6 inches stands, i saw one, the Lovan Jazz 600, not sure how good they will be, any experience with them???



Or maybe adding 4 inches plus the spikes on the bottom, I could get an aluminum extension rod, and attach the spikes on the end...


Edited by Sovkiller (04/13/08 03:33 PM)
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#204142 - 04/13/08 04:48 PM Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference [Re: sovkiller]
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Sorry, wasn't thinking about tweeter height differentials, forgot the stands are 36" and then the M3s.

Still wondering what differences you are hearing, regardless of the height differential, because no matter what, the M80s should be a large improvement over the M3s in over all sonic fidelity.
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#204144 - 04/13/08 04:57 PM Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference [Re: jakewash]
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The M80s could be underpowered. What's the receiver and-or amp used?
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#204145 - 04/13/08 04:58 PM Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference [Re: jakewash]
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The M80 are a high improvement in the bass over the M3ti, that's all I can tell you, I feel the mids and highs with more presence in the bookshelves, here the sound is more integral, more organic, and integrated into one big round sound infront of you...maybe it is a matter of getting more used, now listening a Santana live DVD, and it sounds very good....but thiking seriously about a little stands...

 Originally Posted By: EFalardeau
The M80s could be underpowered. What's the receiver and-or amp used?


Nope a very good Marantz PM7200 in Class A, it is very good sounding amp, according to Marantz it will have no problems driving 4 ohms load, as I contacted them first asking.
But anyway I will not use more than 5 watts of power, and the Marantz offer far more and the setting of the volume now is lower than where I was using the M3ti...


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#204149 - 04/13/08 06:05 PM Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference [Re: sovkiller]
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When I'm sitting 8 feet away, the top tweeter is at my ear height and I don't feel like I'm missing anything. You've now got me thinking that perhaps I should try raising them up another few inches to see if there is any difference in sound.

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#204154 - 04/13/08 06:33 PM Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference [Re: sovkiller]
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How tall are you? How high up are your ears when in the listening position?
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#204155 - 04/13/08 06:33 PM Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference [Re: jakewash]
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Can you try moving them apart a little more? Mine are far more than 8 feet apart; maybe 12 or 14 or so. My listening position is probably 7 feet back.
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#204159 - 04/13/08 07:13 PM Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference [Re: Ken.C]
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Ken,

With that kind of separation, isn't your centre image incoherent?

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#204161 - 04/13/08 07:38 PM Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference [Re: Mojo]
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Not especially. Of course, I generally listen in surround.

Also, I'm restricted by aesthetics, so that's kinda the way it is. Could be I'm not that critical a listener.


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#204206 - 04/14/08 12:28 PM Re: Placement of M60s made a huge difference [Re: Mojo]
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 Originally Posted By: Mojo
Make sure the straps across the back are in place properly and that they are in phase.


Um, what are "straps"?
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