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#239330 - 01/09/09 09:20 PM Re: Why Axiom??? [Re: BoB/335]
SatKartr Offline
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Registered: 09/19/08
Posts: 608
Loc: Dallas
Over somethin' better than Klipsch? Sorry folks I just couldn't help it, that one was my all time favorite.
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#239377 - 01/10/09 06:23 AM Re: Why Axiom??? [Re: SatKartr]
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Registered: 12/26/08
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OK. I've made a decision. I am going to order a pair of M80's and an EP350.

Here is my reasoning. I think I can do fine without the center channel for now. I am using a pair of Polk bookshelves right now (placed on the floor) with my new 2309 and dialogue sounds fine.

I thought I would wait a while on the sub till after adding the surrounds. After all my reading I felt that the bottom end on the M80's would do without a sub for a time and get the surrounds first. I have mentioned (I believe) that I play guitar and dable in PA. (Check out my band http://www.myspace.com/themilestoneband )
My PA amps are double my RMS power (actually they no longer use RMS with PA speakers). 700 watts to each Main and 1100 watts to each sub. This power was for clean headroom and NOT for loud volumes. The PA sounds pristine. I have had concerns that I should have more power than the 2309 will supply to the M80's. Although I still feel that the M80's will have a great low end, having a 350 watt sub will leave more available power to the mains with more headroom and less chance for clipping at loud volumes plus less of a strain on the 2309 with a 4ohm load.

For those of you wondering what I am talking about: it is a known fact that it takes much more power to produce low frequencies than high frequencies. By removing the low frequencies from the M80's and sending them to the sub allows more available power to push the rest of the fequencies in the mains. This will give you more clean headroom for the mains with far less distortion at louder volumes.

I will place the order later today for the M80's and EP350 through the Factory Outlet. I will order the QA8's not too far down the road. I don't expect to be sending anything back.

I have all of you to thank for putting up with all of my questions. I know what I liked about the Paradigm Studio 60's (which are beyond my budget) compared to the others I compared them too. I believe I understand what to expect from the M80's also in reference to the greater detail vs. the "brightness" issue. I don't think I can obtain this at any other pricepoint. I haven't read any negative reviews about the speakers or the company. And I can always send them back if the are really disappointing.

So there you have it. Oh, and one more thing. I considered starting a new thread with this post but I pushed this one to #141. You guys seem to get off on long threads.

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#239384 - 01/10/09 10:47 AM Re: Why Axiom??? [Re: BoB/335]
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Registered: 01/29/04
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Loc: Iowa
Congrats! Keep in mind, your not removing the low frequencies. It does not just cut-off at the frequency you select for the crossover, there is a gradual slope that blends to the subwoofer.

Besides, you may find that you set the 80's to full range, or something around 40-60hz, as they can produce that just fine.

If you liked the Studio's I think you will love the 80's.
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#239391 - 01/10/09 03:01 PM Re: Why Axiom??? [Re: SirQuack]
BoB/335 Offline
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I would like to read an explanation of the "gradual slope" on the crossover that is in print. That's not my understanding of a crossover.

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#239392 - 01/10/09 03:10 PM Re: Why Axiom??? [Re: BoB/335]
SirQuack Offline
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Registered: 01/29/04
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Loc: Iowa
The crossover slope describes how sharply or quickly the crossover attenuates (decreases) the amplitude (strength) of audio signals at frequencies above (low pass crossovers) or below (high pass crossovers) the crossover frequency. The slope is described in dB per octave. The higher the value, the sharper the roll-off, and the more control the listener will have over which frequencies are played by any particular speaker. A 24dB/octave slope is considered very steep (good) and a 6dB/octave slope is relative low (more difficult to control audio signals).
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#239498 - 01/10/09 09:44 PM Re: Why Axiom??? [Re: BoB/335]
JohnK Offline
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Registered: 05/11/02
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Bob, you didn't describe what your understanding was, but crossovers don't suddenly cut off the sound above or below the selected frequency. The typical crossovers in HT receivers roll off(not cut off)the frequency response to the speakers at 12dB per octave below the selected frequency and to the sub at 24db per octave above that frequency. For example, S&V includes a test of the crossover in their bass-management results for receivers, and you'll note here that in their excellent results for the Onkyo 706 that the roll-offs met the 12dB and 24dB standard at the 80Hz test frequency.
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#239527 - 01/11/09 01:14 AM Re: Why Axiom??? [Re: JohnK]
fredk Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 6961
Loc: Canada
Congrats Bob, you will have no regrets.
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#239815 - 01/12/09 05:14 PM Re: Why Axiom??? [Re: fredk]
BoB/335 Offline
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Registered: 12/26/08
Posts: 505
Well, I did it. Just purchased a pair of Boston Cherry M80's and an EP350 sub form the outlet store with a Bill Me Later option.
I'm going to go have a drink now. \:D

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#239818 - 01/12/09 05:17 PM Re: Why Axiom??? [Re: BoB/335]
onn Offline
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Registered: 02/28/08
Posts: 862
Loc: Edmonton Alberta
Welcome to the Axiom and M80 family Bob. Your going to love the M80's
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#239819 - 01/12/09 05:18 PM Re: Why Axiom??? [Re: BoB/335]
Adrian Offline
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Registered: 12/27/08
Posts: 6559
Loc: It's all about the location.
Congrats, Bob, give us the lowdown when you get them!!
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