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#253380 - 03/24/09 09:52 AM Re: Santa Came and my Initial Impressions... [Re: LucRaymond]
terzaghi Offline
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congrats!
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#253384 - 03/24/09 11:06 AM Re: Santa Came and my Initial Impressions... [Re: ghost271]
Zimm Offline
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Registered: 12/08/08
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Loc: New Orleans
 Originally Posted By: ghost271
I also wanted to say that in comparison to the the PSB speakers that I heard, I'd say that these M60s are on par with the Imagines that I had fallen in love with. They were $600 more as well.

That's good information to have. The Imagine series is getting good press and people are constantly looking for comparisons since Axiom is not available for "stop by and listen" sessions. PSB is not exactly on every corner, but at least some people will have access to them and can put the Axioms in that sound group. Enjoy, and let us know as your ears break in.

P.S. From the PSB website:
 Originally Posted By: PSB
"Do your speakers require a "burn in" time? No, our PSB speakers will sound great straight out of the box."
I would think that applies to all speakers then. (Flat Earthers rejoice!)

And PSB also declares:
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What types of cables or interconnects do you recommend?
PSB Speakers does not endorse any particular brand of cables. We usually use 14-gauge wire when testing speakers. Wire does affect sound and the best way to test this is to find an audio/video dealer who specializes in wire and ask for samples of different brands. We do recommend the following gauge of standard two-conductor wire for wiring distances:
Less than 25': 18 gauge
25-50': 16 gauge
50-100': 14 gauge
over 100': 12 gauge
If you prefer, you can use heavier (lower gauge) wire.


(Oh, Flat Earthers revolt!)


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#253390 - 03/24/09 11:22 AM Re: Santa Came and my Initial Impressions... [Re: terzaghi]
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Registered: 03/12/09
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Thanks guys. Here is a couple pics of whats up now. I need a drill, stud finder and level to mount theQS8s. Hopefully get that done sooner than later. But so far they sound fantastic !


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#253395 - 03/24/09 11:33 AM Re: Santa Came and my Initial Impressions... [Re: ghost271]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8268
Loc: Tacoma
Welcome to the M60 posse!

Thanks for the pictures. You might try to get a bit of breathing room both behind and next to the mains. I recognize that the screen does not give you much flexibility, but you are undoubtedly getting some undesirable early reflections off the side walls. Two other things you might try to tweak the sound a little bit - toe-in the speakers a few degrees (instead of having them point straight-ahead) and install some sound-absorbing panels or material on the walls next to them.

Nice setup!
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#253398 - 03/24/09 11:39 AM Re: Santa Came and my Initial Impressions... [Re: tomtuttle]
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Thanks Tom.
The speakers are toed in a bit at the moment. The rear ports are 14" from the rear wall. There is about a 5" ledge underneath the screen. And the right speaker is only 7" from the wall. My problem lies in seating positioning. The left speaker cant really come out more because it will block LOS to the person sitting in the left seat.

I was thinking about doing black velvet all around the screen and those side walls to cut reflective light. Would that dampen the sound enough to make a difference ?


Edited by ghost271 (03/24/09 11:41 AM)
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#253399 - 03/24/09 11:43 AM Re: Santa Came and my Initial Impressions... [Re: tomtuttle]
Zimm Offline
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Registered: 12/08/08
Posts: 1361
Loc: New Orleans
That Drunk Squirrel is smarter than he looks! He took the words right out of my mouth. That instantaneous reflection coming from those very near walls will blur your imaging. Toe in will delay it a bit, but for that width room you need to pad the area in front of the speakers. I have a similar problem in my room and taming that first reflection had a huge impact on the image. (Then again, it could be my speaker wire. )
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#253418 - 03/24/09 12:48 PM Re: Santa Came and my Initial Impressions... [Re: Zimm]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8268
Loc: Tacoma
In the words of Albert Collins...

I ain't drunk. I'm just drinkin'.

ghost, it sounds like you have plenty of space behind the speakers (which was not evident to me from the pictures, because squirrels have poor depth-of-field perception in two-dimensions).

Honestly, I don't know if just some fabric on the wall will be "effective" or not. There are other folks around here who are more knowledgeable about room treatment implementation than I am.

I'm not sure which of our friends first posted the link to ATS Acoustics, but they seem to have the goods.
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#253427 - 03/24/09 01:03 PM Re: Santa Came and my Initial Impressions... [Re: tomtuttle]
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Registered: 06/02/03
Posts: 678
Loc: Houston, Texas
 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
In the words of Albert Collins...

I ain't drunk. I'm just drinkin'.

ghost, it sounds like you have plenty of space behind the speakers (which was not evident to me from the pictures, because squirrels have poor depth-of-field perception in two-dimensions).

Honestly, I don't know if just some fabric on the wall will be "effective" or not. There are other folks around here who are more knowledgeable about room treatment implementation than I am.

I'm not sure which of our friends first posted the link to ATS Acoustics, but they seem to have the goods.


Tom - I posted the link but I have not used the company. Their 2 foot by 4 foot panels at 4 inches thick for $55 looks pretty tempting. I would have to rearrange the furniture in my room though to treat the first reflection points and I am not sure that I can come up with a workable solution. I agree that it should be considered by the OP though as I am sure that it would help the reflections.

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#253433 - 03/24/09 02:00 PM Re: Santa Came and my Initial Impressions... [Re: davidsch]
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8268
Loc: Tacoma
Thanks, David. I am very intrigued by that vendor's ability to provide those products. I'd think that even a DIY 1" OC703 panel would help ghost since we're not talking about bass traps. But - again - I'm not a good student in this area.
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#253437 - 03/24/09 02:14 PM Re: Santa Came and my Initial Impressions... [Re: ghost271]
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Registered: 02/12/09
Posts: 562
Loc: Discovery Bay, CA
 Originally Posted By: ghost271
My Klipschs were bright, but to my ears these are not.


Joel,
I had Klipsch Cornwalls for 26 years. I was not familiar with bright warm, etc, etc. So to me the 80's and 60's I heard over at Ken and Adam's respectively, did not sound bright to MY ears either. ;\) As they say, it all depends on how your relatives are (or something like that). \:D
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