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#310590 - 06/17/10 12:18 PM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: fullerms]
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Three matching speakers are always your best bet... space allowing.
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#310659 - 06/17/10 09:32 PM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Ditto.
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#310664 - 06/17/10 11:15 PM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: JohnK]
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The vote result speaks for itself ;\)
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#310665 - 06/17/10 11:17 PM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: fredk]
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 Originally Posted By: fredk
...and whether or not you want the secret decoder ring. ;\)

Never got one of those ;\)
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#311079 - 06/21/10 09:13 PM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: bdpf]
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Do the front 3 have to be at the same height? I'm planning to wall mount my tv, and I'm not sure whether I will be able to stand mount the centre under the tv due to height restrictions.

If that is the case, can I stand mount the LR speakers and put the centre on a low console?
Will that work, or am I better off with a horizontally mounted VP150? Or can I place a regular M22 horizontally?

All this planning is driving me nuts. Thanks for the support so far guys.

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#311080 - 06/21/10 09:16 PM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: bdpf]
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Do the front 3 have to be at the same height? I'm planning to wall mount my tv, and I'm not sure whether I will be able to stand mount the centre under the tv due to height restrictions.

If that is the case, can I stand mount the LR speakers and put the centre on a low console?
Will that work, or am I better off with a horizontally mounted VP150? Or can I place a regular M22 horizontally?

All this planning is driving me nuts. Thanks for the support so far guys.

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#311089 - 06/21/10 10:02 PM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: fullerms]
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MS, the tweeters of all three should if possible be at ear level. If this isn't possible, such as for the center speaker, a good result can still be had if the center speaker is tilted so that the tweeter points at the ears.
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#311094 - 06/22/10 12:42 AM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: fullerms]
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I’ve done exactly what John has suggested with my M80 center here in my house. Whenever I’ve put my mains up on milk crates to elevate them. Having the mains a little higher (above furniture) seems to help them better fill the whole room with sound and blend better with the surrounds but that assumes having an open area behind the seating. From what I’ve noticed the center channel doesn’t seem to benefit from this plus it’s under my screen and can’t be elevated. Tilting it back so that the drivers of the center that correspond to the drivers on the mains that are nearest ear level are pointed at my ears keeps the timbre even across the front. Though it goes against conventional wisdom in my experience it’s actually more important to have the midrange divers near each other than the tweeters, though when you have one you usually have the other.

Keep in mind that you can always mount a speaker upside-down. I’ve done that when demoing my M22s against my M80s. I just put them upside-down on top of the M80s and they sounded no different than when right-side-up at the same level. I also ran my M80 center upside-down above the screen in relation to my right-side-up M80 mains. This worked great with no variations in the soundstage as things panned across the front. I actually prefer this arrangement because it produced a “wall of sound” (due to spreading out the drivers vertically) but w/o interfering with the horizontal placement of instruments and singers in well made recordings. It does create a slight vertical effect which in some recordings made it sound like the vocalist in the center channel was on a dais, but it was subtle.

In your case if the center is right-side-up under your screen I would try putting the mains upside-down on the stands to either side. At 8 feet the same distance I was from my upside-down M80 in my apartment your M22s should sound just fine.

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#311442 - 06/23/10 07:29 PM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: grunt]
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If I have to place the centre horizontally due to space retrictions, which would be my best bet? A M22 or a VP150?

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#311443 - 06/23/10 07:33 PM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: fullerms]
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The VP150 is designed to be placed horizontally. I don't believe you'd get a good result from a horizontal M22.


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