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#328112 - 11/11/10 07:19 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: Adrian]
St_PatGuy Offline
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Registered: 03/07/05
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Um, pancakes?
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#328113 - 11/11/10 07:21 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: St_PatGuy]
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I love pancakes.
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#328114 - 11/11/10 07:25 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: Wid]
St_PatGuy Offline
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Rick and I were in the anechoic chamber listening to Pink Floyd.

And eating pancakes.
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#328117 - 11/11/10 07:28 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: St_PatGuy]
Wid Offline
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That was you? I couldn't tell with all that smoke smile
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#328119 - 11/11/10 07:31 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: Wid]
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Good thing we didn't put a smoke alarm in the anechoic chamber.
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#328120 - 11/11/10 07:36 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: St_PatGuy]
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laugh laugh
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#328153 - 11/12/10 01:55 AM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: Wid]
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Nice derail smile
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#328217 - 11/12/10 02:54 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: jakewash]
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Here's my biggest beef prior to the pancakes part:

Method vs. "Methodology"
http://www.answers.com/topic/methodology

Methodology can properly refer to the theoretical analysis of the methods appropriate to a field of study or to the body of methods and principles particular to a branch of knowledge (i.e. methodology is the study of methods). In this sense, one may speak of objections to the methodology of a geographic survey (that is, objections dealing with the appropriateness of the methods used) or of the methodology of modern cognitive psychology (that is, the principles and practices that underlie research in the field).
In recent years, however, methodology has been increasingly used as a pretentious substitute for method in scientific and technical contexts, as in The oil company has not yet decided on a methodology for restoring the beaches. People may have taken to this practice by influence of the adjective methodological to mean "pertaining to methods." Methodological may have acquired this meaning because people had already been using the more ordinary adjective methodical to mean "orderly, systematic." But the misuse of methodology obscures an important conceptual distinction between the tools of scientific investigation (properly methods) and the principles that determine how such tools are deployed and interpreted.
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#328224 - 11/12/10 03:02 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: chesseroo]
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I approve of your methodology for correcting this oversight.

:runs away snickering:
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#328298 - 11/12/10 10:04 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: grunt]
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Registered: 03/13/01
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I saw Gene’s comments about the ground plane versus 90 foot pole also. I was not going to comment on it but I really do believe that peoples’ questions here on our forum deserve a proper response. I was very disheartened to see this article from Gene but it does reinforce to me that we did make the right decision in distancing ourselves from Audioholics.

I did supply Gene with two reasons why we did not want to participate in the Audioholics sub-woofer shootout. In that e-mail I specifically said that ground plane measurements would not be a reason for us to decline participation; and were in fact a very acceptable measurement method for us. To quote directly from the e-mail I sent to Gene: “For clarity I also believe a ground plane is the best alternative to a true 4 pi environment. It is why it was selected by the CEA as the most reasonable compromise to 4pi. We were on the board at CEA that developed this subwoofer measuring standard and one of the goals in the development of the standard was to make reasonable compromises to accommodate manufactures that did not have a full compliment of proper test gear. The equipment and methods being used for the testing is in fact the least of our concerns and would not constitute a show stopper for our participation.”

The two main reasons were something I felt Gene would rather be kept private and their omission from his recent article seems to support that.

There is also of course the possibility that another manufacturer with a 90 foot measurement tower who pulled out of advertising on Audioholics in September was being referred to here. I will continue to hope that this is the case.
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