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#369958 - 03/17/12 08:18 AM Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere [Re: nickbuol]
MarkSJohnson Offline
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Originally Posted By: nickbuol
My lovely wife was painting like crazy today while I spent 2.5 hours (2 trips) to and at the home improvement store today.

Expect Bob to come along and give you crap for that statement.

He's still going on and on as to how I had Joyce scrape up all the old flooring in the kitchen while I got drunk in a strip club.
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#370202 - 03/18/12 11:57 PM Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere [Re: nickbuol]
nickbuol Offline
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Registered: 09/16/04
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Loc: Marion, IA
So we came to an abrupt halt on the riser (does anything in this project go 100% the first time? Don't answer that!)...

I did get the basic part of the riser built. Pretty much everything short of putting the two layers of 3/4" plywood on top. We put it into position, and then I realized that I added width for the seats (no "exact" fit for safety reasons) and even more so when I account for the 1.5" recommended (rounded over) overhang, the walking path around the riser to get to the movies and equipment would force people to navigate around where the side QS8s would go.. Crap. I will probably have to tear part of the riser apart and make it narrower, but in the mean time I decided to get all of the can lights and wall sconces wired up. The problem, yes another one, was that I tried to trim off the excess mud/paint from around the can light locations, that pretty much all of them ended up with visible gypsum (white) against the painted surrounding (Chocolate Truffle brown). Even the can light "rings" didn't cover them, so I needed to go back, patch them with some mud, and paint. So while they work, they won't be "done" until tomorrow when the paint dries and I can put the rings up.

I also had a field day with the sconces, but that was somewhat expected. The boxes for the wall sconces mounted mid-stud cavity, so they were held between two studs by an expandable metal rod that the came with. This would have been perfect for a single layer of drywall, but with 2 layers of 5/8", they were recessed quite a bit. I knew that this would probably be a problem, but wasn't originally planning on doing lights, so I was ill-prepared. I ended up digging in the garage for about 30 minutes to find some of my old workshop stuff (still never unpacked it since EVERYTHING is in our garage waiting for the basement to be done). Anyway, I found some thick plastic washers that I picked up about 13 YEARS ago when I was building a "swinging/swaying" bridge for my daughter's playhouse. She was 5 at the time, and graduates high school in May. Anyway, a couple of those were perfect and the lights are on solid.

But then, in the excitement, I forgot that I needed to caulk the sconce boxes to the drywall. Urg. That will be tomorrow because we didn't have the small lights for more than 1 of them. Again, I wasn't planning on doing lights today.

I will get them caulked, back up, and the lights in them tomorrow, but that and the can light stuff mentioned above will be about it as we have some stuff going on tomorrow night.

So the other delay was that I needed to wire things for bass shakers, or at least get two sets of wires from the equipment rack to the riser. When the design was going to be pretty much a short riser for the whole back end of the theater with a taller section for the chairs (sort of an island for the chairs with a step level all the way around), it would have been easy to hide the wires. We changed the design to just have the riser "island" since tall people would have been ducking as they walked around under the sconces. So the concrete floor has a cut in it that is somewhat deep. I originally had this filled with caulk. I had to cut it out which was easy since it was a hard caulk. I then had to try to cut out the super flexible acoustical caulk from under the wall edge to make a path for the wires to go along the edge of the walls and then into the "canyon" like cut into the concrete and then pop up under the riser. It should work just fine, but I need to caulk them into place yet, BUT I still don't know how carpeting is going to work. Will it be better to carpet the whole room, and then carpet the riser separate, or secure the riser to the floor and carpet around/over it? The first option is probably the more long-term versatile, but then it creates some coordination complexity:

1) carpet the home theater first
2) Cut a small hole into the carpet to route the bass shaker wires through.
3) When they start working on the rest of the basement, I scramble to get the riser back into the room using some yet to be bought/constructed dolly system to wheel it in on-end.
4) Measure and position the riser.
5) Glue and screw the first layer of plywood (pre-cut, routered, and labeled.
6) Add a layer of 30 pound roofing paper.
7) Screw down the top layer of playwood (again, pre-cut, routered, and labeled.)

This is of course assuming that they are willing/able to do a decent job. If it was just a square box it would be easy, but I don't know how they wrap a side and back of a step (inside corner) so that it looks OK.

I'll try to snap some pictures tomorrow night, but at the same time, I might wait until Tuesday when I get 2 chairs down there to test out some sight lines, and everything else is pretty much cleaned up.

Still LOTS to do throughout the basement.
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#370227 - 03/19/12 10:50 AM Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere [Re: nickbuol]
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Registered: 02/04/04
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Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
Ya know Nick, I feel pretty good about how hard I worked on my basement this weekend then I read one of your posts... I donno where you get all this energy from but it makes me feel like Sh__!

laugh
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#370426 - 03/21/12 01:01 AM Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere [Re: nickbuol]
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Registered: 09/16/04
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Loc: Marion, IA
Tonight was a busy night, but it doesn't seem like I have much to show for it. After building up the riser minus the top for the second row of seating, I tried to walk around it. Sort of a "test fit" if you will. I also noticed that right where the step was on the riser was in line with where the side QS8s were to go.

So that brings me to tonight. I reduced the width of the riser by 6.25" That is still about 4-5 inches wider than the feet on the row of 4 seats, and once adding in the "lip" that the top layer will create, I felt that it would work. As a safety precaution, I am also going to put some "tracks" out of some 1x1 or other material that will attach to the top of the riser, and hold the inside 2 seats from moving left or right. Since all 4 seats are connected, this should help with any "wiggle room" issues, and still stay fairly hidden since they won't be under the outside seats.

So after tearing some of the riser apart (got to break out the ever popular Sawzall), which I used not only to cut through my 3.25" ring shank nails (suckers are about impossible to get out), but I also used it to cut the appropriate pieces and re-notch the one step. Then I put it all back together and did another test fit. Much better. I also opted to move it back about 7 inches away from the screen. After doing some quick measurements, the front row would have been about 11 - 11.5 feet from eyeballs to screen and with the AT screen material, I heard that a safe distance for someone with REALLY good vision so that they can't see the weave or perforations was 12'. That is the new target, and will be 2 feet closer than my older theater was and be going from a 104" screen to something around 130-140" (max). It should be quite immersive.

I know that people want pictures, but there is so much crap in the room right now, that I wouldn't be able to get any decent photos anyway.

Oh, and the lights are all in and caulked. Managed that last night. I don't have them on switches yet (will be temporary until I order dimmers) but that should happen tomorrow. It gets so warm in there with six 60 watt wall sconces, twelve 50 watt halogen can lights, two 500 watt shop lights, and one 300 watt shop light. For now, I like having it really bright in there so that I can work, but it gets toasty.

Until tomorrow.
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#370430 - 03/21/12 05:15 AM Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere [Re: nickbuol]
Hansang Offline
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Registered: 02/07/07
Posts: 578
Loc: New York
Where do you get the energy?? Wow...

I'm getting psyched to see the finished product! smile
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#370448 - 03/21/12 09:30 AM Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere [Re: nickbuol]
nickbuol Offline
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Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 4473
Loc: Marion, IA
It is nice how it starts to look like something with some paint and lights...
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#370477 - 03/21/12 12:47 PM Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere [Re: nickbuol]
MarkSJohnson Offline
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Loc: Central NH
Not that WE can see, you non-photo-poster.
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#370525 - 03/21/12 05:34 PM Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere [Re: nickbuol]
INANE Offline
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Registered: 02/04/04
Posts: 1668
Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
At least I've posted some pics of mine

;-)
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#370537 - 03/21/12 06:59 PM Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere [Re: nickbuol]
nickbuol Offline
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Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 4473
Loc: Marion, IA
Fine... Here are some cell phone pictures from 3 days ago. Colors are off a bit...

These are the rear side walls, the back wall, and a close up of a wall sconce.

Better pictures will be uploaded for the patient. laugh





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#370539 - 03/21/12 07:08 PM Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere [Re: nickbuol]
SBrown Offline
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Registered: 11/16/10
Posts: 813
Loc: Victoria,BC
Nice lights!
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