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#359866 - 12/01/11 04:11 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Registered: 01/19/11
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yeah, just like jc, i'm moving on...
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#359869 - 12/01/11 04:13 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: J. B.]
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Ditto.... I've said my piece....
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#359871 - 12/01/11 04:36 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: MarkSJohnson]
CatBrat Offline
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Registered: 08/05/09
Posts: 5871
Loc: Milky Way Galaxy
Aren't most reviews about the subjectivity (perspective, feelings, beliefs, and desires) of the person giving the reviews anyway? I believe the goal of the upper end of the Axiom line has been to provide the cleanest, most uncolored, and accurate bass response as possible, before individual room characteristics changes it.

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#359880 - 12/01/11 05:57 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: CatBrat]
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Registered: 04/11/09
Posts: 80
Originally Posted By: CatBrat
Aren't most reviews about the subjectivity (perspective, feelings, beliefs, and desires) of the person giving the reviews anyway? I believe the goal of the upper end of the Axiom line has been to provide the cleanest, most uncolored, and accurate bass response as possible, before individual room characteristics changes it.


Most of the reviews are, but mostly because they aren't allowed to truly test the product. If a reviewer says something alittle too harsh the company fights not to have the article published.

Like when I said "let the measurements speak for themselves" I wanted all subjective biases out of the way. Its much easier to judge a subwoofers performance based on measurements than it is with speakers. To me a graph can tell you so much about a subwoofers performance.

I can say all the positive things I want about Axiom EP175 and no one would have questioned me about my knowledge or if I compared it to other subwoofers ect... But since I said it isn't the greatest performing sub in its price range and that there are better performing and better built subs in its range, thats not allowed.

I've defended Axiom for many years on Audioholics and AVS. I've PMed many people over on AVS and recommended Axioms and openly on the forum too.

I'm not blinded, I can see that Axiom subs have fallen way behind the other ID brands. Thats the reason why theres not reviews in the last 5-6yrs is because they haven't done anything with them. While all the others do model refreshes and improving the drivers and amps, adding entire lines of new products Axiom just watched it sail right on by.




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#359882 - 12/01/11 06:31 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: gtpsuper]
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Registered: 02/07/07
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Loc: New York
I have EP500 (love it) and I also have EP175 (not so great). But with the price difference, I can't really expect the 175 to perform anywhere near the 500. So when I say my 175 doesn't perform to par, I always put it the context of "as compared to my EP500)"

I'll be the first to admit that's like comparing a college quarterback to Aaron Rodgers. It's neither fair nor useful.

I love watching movies with my EP500. With the EP175, not so much. You get used to what you get used to. It's like this: if you get used to flying business class, it's hard to go back to coach. If you get used to driving a luxury automobile, it's hard to go back to a lesser model. Once you get used to a great sub, it's hard to go back.
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#359890 - 12/01/11 07:07 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: Hansang]
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I jove my EP600 and Twin EP350's all in the same book, very intense Bada$$bass.
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#359896 - 12/01/11 07:44 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: SirQuack]
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Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 4474
Loc: Marion, IA
Just a comment about the comments since I already gave my thoughts on the sub situation... This site, and Axiom, does get negative feedback from time to time. Usually, I am amazed at how respectful people are of someone's opinion, and a healthy debate ensues. Axiom doesn't shut down, lock up, or delete anyone's negative comments. Instead, they often participate, ask for more details and information, offer thoughts and suggestions, and take an active roll in their product and forums.

Had you basically not used the "suck" phrase after a somewhat limited exposure to the full product line yourself, or any of the other awesome subs that you mentioned, is a bit harsh. I think, and I have heard several Axiom subs, a HSU sub, Paradigm sub, and own a SVS sub. I think that Axiom has some strong products in their subwoofer line, and maybe some weaker ones. I am not going to mention costs, just the products themselves....
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#359902 - 12/01/11 08:03 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: nickbuol]
gtpsuper Offline
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Registered: 04/11/09
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I have a SVS 25-31pci and a 16-46pci in my main area. The EP175 is for the bedroom for tv watching used with a AuraSound soundbar. I also have a Boston Acoustics PV1000 subwoofer sitting in my computer room not being used, as well as a eD 13av.2 driver in my car with another one sitting in the garage, just too heavy for another one in the car, trying to find another project for it. And a Behringer Truth 2092 subwoofer for computer audio. Plus a pair of V2 M22s, 2 pair of M2s and a VP150 V2.

And if you read my post more carefully I said that I also compared the Axiom Ep175 to my friends Polk PSW110 and Mirage S10.3 subwoofers. But since my opinion of Axiom's EP175 didn't sound like a marketing advertisement its baseless and doesn't count.

Anyone really think that the EP600($1860) can compete with the PC13 Ultra $(1699). Or the EP500($1270) against the SVS PB12+ or HSU VTF 15H?

Where is all the research and designing Axiom always talks about? No subwoofer upgrades in 5-7yrs. While other brands continue to improve each year or every 2 years, Axiom remains subborn. SVS doesn't brag about ongoing research and development but yet they've released two speaker lines plus revisions. Added a new sealed subwoofer line, improved their cyclinder line and PB line. Whats Axiom done? Magnetics grills and silver dust caps.

But my biggest complaint is why does the EP175 cost $600????? What is it that Axiom charges a premium over their dated designs compared to other brands????

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#359905 - 12/01/11 08:14 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: gtpsuper]
fredk Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 7047
Loc: Canada
Now your just plain picking a fight. You don't like Axiom subs. We get it. Move on.
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#359917 - 12/01/11 08:46 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: fredk]
jakewash Offline
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Registered: 12/26/03
Posts: 10398
Loc: Calgary, Alberta
Welllllll, I did compare my PC13 Ultra against an EP600 v2 side by side and other than some variences here and there for and against each, the EP600 held up well enough. I have no idea how well the EP600 would fair against the new version of the PC13 so YMMV.
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