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#386495 - 12/03/12 02:05 PM EP350, 400 or 500
quakemax Offline
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Registered: 12/03/12
Posts: 12
Loc: Montreal
Hey everyone,

Not so long ago I finaly went ahead and ordered my first Axiom speaker package; On-wall M3, VP100 and QS4 as surround. I must say I am really impressed by how clear and powerfull this little system sounds in my relatively small room (14' X 13' X 8').

I decided to wait for the subwoofer, since I was not sure if I should go with the EP175 or something bigger.

Keep in my mind, this is a very well insulated little room (Roxul in every wall) and that I listen mostly to movies. (90% movies, 10% music (jazz, rock, alternalive))

I am looking to spend aroung 600-900$
Finaly, if it is of any use, my receiver is a Onkyo TX-NR616.

-Max

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#386497 - 12/03/12 02:10 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
CatBrat Offline
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Registered: 08/05/09
Posts: 5884
Loc: Milky Way Galaxy
For your system, and room size, the EP350 gets my vote. I use mostly M22's and our rooms are about the same area wise. I use the EP350 and have been quite happy with it. From there, I would move to the EP500 as the next move up.

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#386508 - 12/03/12 04:14 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8292
Loc: Tacoma
Where do you live? Sometimes - for US residents - there are other products you might consider.

But - if you're in Canada or simply want to keep your sub consistent with the rest of your system - I'd go for the EP350.

Like CatBrat said, the EP500 is really the next step up. The EP400 is a fine sub, but it is a specialized product that prioritizes smaller enclosure over higher performance.
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#386519 - 12/03/12 07:05 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
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Loc: Montreal
Thanks a lot for the inputs! Seems like the EP350 will do the trick! FYI, I live in Canada. I read that those US made subwoofer cost a small fortune to import up here.

Can't wait to put that gift certificate to good use laugh

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#386520 - 12/03/12 07:07 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
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I think you'll be really happy with the EP350. If you decide you need "more", you can always work with Axiom to upgrade during the trial period.
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#386521 - 12/03/12 07:36 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
dakkon Offline
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for what it's worth... i had 1 EP-600 in a 10x10 room... and it was awaome....!!!


so, i vote for the 500 since it's on your list...

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#386525 - 12/03/12 08:19 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: dakkon]
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Get as much subwoofer as you can afford. The EP500 reaches considerably lower than the EP350 and low is good, particularly for action movies where there can be significant content below 20Hz.
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#386527 - 12/03/12 08:45 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
quakemax Offline
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Loc: Montreal
To dakkon and fredk, I must say; the EP500 got fantastic review everywhere I look.

The fact that my mains are on-wall, wouldn't it make more sense to have a bigger subwoofer (one that goes lower)?

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#386529 - 12/03/12 09:06 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
dakkon Offline
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Originally Posted By: quakemax
wouldn't it make more sense to have a bigger subwoofer (one that goes lower)?



My view is buy as much as you can afford.. You can never have too much bottom end.. In my opinion........

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#386531 - 12/03/12 09:44 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
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Quake, welcome. Depending on your budget, either the EP350 or EP500 should be considered. I use the EP500, and the lower extension is significant on some of the movie material you watch. The factor of the mains being on-wall doesn't really create an even greater advantage, since any relative weakness of that design would be in the mid-bass around 70-80Hz, and any good sub covers that well.
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#386535 - 12/03/12 10:22 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
SirQuack Offline
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I used to have a 500 which was a great sub, I later upgraded to the 600. I also have 2 350's up front in the room, the 600 is in the back corner. I know in Alans initial review of the 350 it held its own against the 500 in many respects.

The 350 is a great power house. For a few months I had one of my 350's upstairs in our living room which is about 15x20 with slight vaulted ceilings, and open into our kitchen/dining area. One 350 did a very good job in that space.

So, I suppose look at your budget and go from there...
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#386536 - 12/03/12 10:22 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
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Registered: 12/26/03
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Loc: Calgary, Alberta
Another vote for the 500 if you can afford it. It is the same size as the 350 but it digs deeper and plays louder. I know you have a smallish room but you would be surprised at how loud a sub needs to go to create some effects properly.
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#386537 - 12/03/12 10:24 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: tomtuttle]
Hellcommute Offline
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Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
Where do you live? Sometimes - for US residents - there are other products you might consider.

But - if you're in Canada...


FYI

SVS is available in canada direct from sonicboomaudio.com

official canadian distributor in Ontario so you can compare prices between products in Can $.

I hope I didn't break any rules doing this. No harm intended. smile

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#386539 - 12/03/12 10:29 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
Hellcommute Offline
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Registered: 09/23/12
Posts: 148
I should note shipping is not included everywhere. A plus with Axiom, along with great after sales service.


Edited by Hellcommute (12/03/12 10:36 PM)

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#386548 - 12/04/12 01:31 AM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: Hellcommute]
quakemax Offline
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Registered: 12/03/12
Posts: 12
Loc: Montreal
Originally Posted By: JohnK
Quake, welcome. Depending on your budget, either the EP350 or EP500 should be considered. I use the EP500, and the lower extension is significant on some of the movie material you watch. The factor of the mains being on-wall doesn't really create an even greater advantage, since any relative weakness of that design would be in the mid-bass around 70-80Hz, and any good sub covers that well.

Thanks JohnK, that is really helpful! I guess I didn't think of it that way.

Originally Posted By: Hellcommute

SVS is available in canada direct from sonicboomaudio.com

I read alot about this company. They seem to really know their stuff when it comes to subwoofer. The thing is, I already got a gift certificate which brings the EP500 right in my budget. Plus, the service/warranty/return policy with Axiom is next to none in my opinion.

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#386555 - 12/04/12 08:13 AM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
Murph Offline
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Registered: 10/05/06
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Loc: PEI, Canada
Also a vote for the EP500. Nothing is more satisfying than feeling Hulk Smash instead of just hearing it.

Also, out of curiosity I just checked the sonicboomaudio site. Absolutely nothing against SVS subs but there does not appear to be an avenue for cost savings at their advertised prices for equivalent models.
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#386621 - 12/04/12 10:08 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
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I think the best bang for the buck from SVS is the new PB12-nsd, new DSP amp, which keeps it flat and capable of reasonably high SPL. I think with shipping it works out to be a little less than the EP500.
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#386628 - 12/04/12 11:31 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: jakewash]
quakemax Offline
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Registered: 12/03/12
Posts: 12
Loc: Montreal
Originally Posted By: jakewash
I think the best bang for the buck from SVS is the new PB12-nsd, new DSP amp, which keeps it flat and capable of reasonably high SPL. I think with shipping it works out to be a little less than the EP500.


the PB12-nsd was indeed the one I was looking into. But WAF is pushing me towards the EP500.

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#386646 - 12/05/12 08:26 AM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
CatBrat Offline
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Registered: 08/05/09
Posts: 5884
Loc: Milky Way Galaxy
One other thing I did was order my ep350 in a custom vinyl (cinnamon beech) and I'm glad I did.

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#386658 - 12/05/12 01:38 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
Murph Offline
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Loc: PEI, Canada
But Tigers Hate Cinnamon.
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#386668 - 12/05/12 03:38 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: CatBrat]
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Posts: 259
Loc: New York
cinnamon beech rocks....with the sienna grills
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#386677 - 12/05/12 06:34 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: Murph]
Hellcommute Offline
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Registered: 09/23/12
Posts: 148
Originally Posted By: Murph
But Tigers Hate Cinnamon.


LFMFAO!!! laugh

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#388607 - 01/20/13 03:26 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: Hellcommute]
quakemax Offline
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Registered: 12/03/12
Posts: 12
Loc: Montreal
Just wanna give you guys a quick update...
Right after Christmas I decided to go forward with the EP500. I received it last week (had some manufacturing delay on the amplifier).

First word that comes to my mind is: wow! The addition of the EP500 really changed everything in my room. I feel like my mains are even playing better (must have something to do with the crossover setting). We watched Quantum of Solace last night and at one point my wife told me: The house is shaking!! Do you feel it?! What an awesome experience that was.

Thanks to all of you guys for your good advice, I can't be more happy with my sound system. laugh


Edited by quakemax (01/20/13 03:26 PM)

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#388610 - 01/20/13 04:51 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
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Excellent!
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#388611 - 01/20/13 06:23 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
CatBrat Offline
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Registered: 08/05/09
Posts: 5884
Loc: Milky Way Galaxy
Does homeowner insurance cover subwoofer damage?

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#388613 - 01/20/13 07:41 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
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Posts: 13337
Loc: Iowa
Just wait until you tweak it just right, it will get even better. smile
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#388623 - 01/21/13 07:45 AM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
Murph Offline
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Glad to hear you are shaking up Montreal with it. Were you watching a movie Saturday night? Can I blame the Habs loss against the Leafs on your subsonic rumblings???
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#388628 - 01/21/13 11:58 AM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: quakemax]
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Registered: 01/19/11
Posts: 1271
Loc: Quebec, Canada
the answer to this question by Murph should be along that of Hugolin in the movie Jean de Florette:
"it's not me that's crying, it's my eyes."
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#388636 - 01/21/13 03:08 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: Murph]
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Originally Posted By: Murph
Glad to hear you are shaking up Montreal with it. Were you watching a movie Saturday night? Can I blame the Habs loss against the Leafs on your subsonic rumblings???

Too funny! No matter how much the Leafs suck, they can still beat their arch rival. How do they market this, battle for the bottom?
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#388652 - 01/21/13 07:43 PM Re: EP350, 400 or 500 [Re: Murph]
quakemax Offline
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Registered: 12/03/12
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Loc: Montreal
Originally Posted By: Murph
Glad to hear you are shaking up Montreal with it. Were you watching a movie Saturday night? Can I blame the Habs loss against the Leafs on your subsonic rumblings???


Haha! I was planning on watching the game, but I got called back to work. I guess I didn't lose much. (pun intended)

Talking about fine tuning. I ran audyssey last night and my L and R came out at 40Hz, my surround at 60Hz and my center at 80Hz. I figured I should put the subwoofer crossover at 80Hz. Is that right?

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