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#402922 - 04/11/14 08:32 PM Lets plan a theater space
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So, the moving truck came and went today and were almost moved across country. Our new place has a completely unfinished basement that I have already made rough plans for. They are not exact dimensions but a good scale based on the dimensions from our homes main floor dimensions. The space is roughly 15'6" x23'.

There will be a 112" screen about 14' from the viewing locations. The AT screen wall is 4' into the room.

If anyone has any feedback on how the space sould be lit, or a better idea for an A/V rack workaround I'd be greatful. So far I am thinking a soffit with rope accent with sconces at the midpoint of the top of each acoustic panel. The panel config and types are still tbd.

There will be cabinets on the backside of the left wall that will act as a cheater av cupboard, beer fridge, blankets etc.

Anyway. PIC TIME grin








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#402924 - 04/11/14 08:40 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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#402925 - 04/11/14 08:50 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Nice looking dedicated Home Theater space i'm envious. May I ask slightly off topic what equipment your gonna be using in that gem? Or link me to another post if you've already talked about this...


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#402931 - 04/12/14 12:54 AM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Beautiful drawings, beautiful space. Wishing you many happy hours there with your loved ones.
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#402947 - 04/12/14 10:42 AM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Thanks for the encouragement guys!

Admittedly, I am going a little OCD with the planning. I went through so many iterations in my last space that I lost track. Learned a lot from it and now I'm ready to create a proper space for the fam that looks a little less mad scientist...... laugh


Lighting ideas?
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#402990 - 04/13/14 10:33 AM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Originally Posted By: Serenity_Now
that looks a little less mad scientist...... laugh

Lighting ideas?

Hey, what's wrong with mad scientist?

I know many people have gone with the less expensive pot lights, but we opted for on wall sconces in our room. We had a difficult spot for lighting on an angled wall but a friend who was a lighting wholesalesman found us something that worked perfect.
All are dimmable of course.

See old photos here:



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#402994 - 04/13/14 11:05 AM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Holy blanks batman! smile

Must be prewire central there.

Your lights are great, i like how you mixed spots with diffuse lighting in the same space. Those spots would look great if i wanted to light the media stand at the rear of the room.

Noted! smile

On a frustrating note, our sectional was delivered yesterday and wouldn't go down the stairs..... We bought it pre constuction to take advantage of a great sale. Looking for seating now too..... That can come later though.
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#402996 - 04/13/14 11:26 AM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Originally Posted By: Serenity_Now
Holy blanks batman! smile

Must be prewire central there.


The room was setup to deliver 7.x surround sound in two directions so yes, some pre-wiring indeed. I never did add in an ethernet line though as i figured wireless options would become available by the time i cared much about providing a net based application in the room.

We still have yet to add the other 2 rear surrounds. I partly stopped b/c i had contemplated adding surrounds in the newer wood veneers but then if i did that, it would start a cascade effect for having to replace the rest of the Axiom system with the same wood veneers.
That and the fact i have an older AVR which only does 6.1 at the moment.

The room is slated for some updating but not until we finish reno in the kitchen and focus on a newer family vehicle.
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#403126 - 04/15/14 02:43 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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The on wall sconces are really nice, but I was one of the many that just opted for the cheaper pot lights. With drop ceiling they are super easy to wire and mount too.
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#403129 - 04/15/14 03:19 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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One of these days I will sit down when I have some time and write a nice long reply. For lights, I went with small can lights around the soffit (you could do the same along the edge of the ceiling, or even go with ones spread throughout the room). We then added 3 wall sconces (don't get those cheapo "paintable" kind. Spend $10+ more and get something with some metal, or glass, or both.

Biggest thing is getting them on dimmers... Notice, that is plural. Set up at LEAST 2 zones in the theater. In my V3.0, we had can lights throughout the room, but the half closest to the screen was on a different dimmer than the back half where we sat. Then we could eat dinner and see what we were eating, and not have lights on right above the screen (even if they were only at 25% thanks to the dimmer).

In my current space, since the wall sconces are in the back half of the theater, but the small can lights go all along the side and back walls (in the soffits), they are on their own dimmer. Then, if we are eating in the theater, I turn the can lights all the way off, and the wall sconces to about 25% and it works perfect.

Get remote controlled dimmers too. I went with two Lutron IR dimmers. Press the paddle up once and it goes to whatever pre-set lighting level you want, press it twice and it is on at 100%, press it up a third time and it is back to the pre-set dimmer level, press it down and it is off (all with a nice slow fade). On my remote I have 1 preset for eating (it is the default preset on the dimmers themselves. One I set to the sconces slightly on, and on the other dimmer it is at like 1% (as close to off as possible). Then the remote just sends the signal to put both dimmers to their preset, and it is perfect for eating. I have another preset on my remote that goes to the "eating" level, and then does a +2 on both, this is more for having a dim space, but not fully dark for when waiting for the wife and kids to come into the room.

Works great, and allows to good lighting control.

Oh, and we don't eat dinner down there THAT much, but we do use the presets a lot.

EDIT: Put at least 1 CAT6 cable drop into the room. There are some devices that can connect to the internet wirelessly, but if you want to stream video either from the internet or from a media server/computer in the house, you will want/need a wired connection. I know, you may not have plans for that now, but I didn't plan on having a HTPC in my room either when I dropped the CAT6 cables in. One all the way back to my internet connection point in my house. This was just for being able to do firmware updates originally for all of my equipment. I am glad I did, otherwise I would have had a really hard time adding it later so that I can stream my 72GB Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Rings, or the even larger sequels. Even smaller file size movies would choke at even high quality across wireless, and I ended up wanting exact same playback (or better) with my HTPC, so that means no compression at all.

monoprice.com will hook you up with cheap network cable. Buy longer than you need...


Edited by nickbuol (04/15/14 03:27 PM)
Edit Reason: Added CAT6 comments
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#403130 - 04/15/14 05:42 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Thanks Guys,

I have been looking into the lutron maestro IR dimmers. Are these the ones you have? I have a harmony remote I would use them with.

I know sconces are happening for sure, but cant decide on soffit pots or just two overhead lights for cleaning up in the space etc. Pots are cheap and eat up no headroom so that might be an option.

This is the kind of lighting my better half prefers:



I like the idea of having sconces and overheads on seperate dimmers for sure. I would likely put the rope lights on the same dimmer as the sconces. I'd wire it so all neutrals started at the switch box to have flexibility later I guess.

I will likely run cat6 to the a/v rack into a switch and split from there I guess. They are cheap nowadays. I'm planning on a 1 1/4 conduit run to the center of the front wall for feeding speakers behind the screen wall. I'll pull straight to the terminals and bypass wall plates wherever I can. The surrounds may also be piped, havent decided yet. Projector for sure with 1 1/4.
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#403132 - 04/15/14 06:43 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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yes the lutron works well with my harmony 1100.. actually I have 2 lutrons that are controlled with the remote

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#403133 - 04/15/14 06:53 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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I am using the Harmony One with mine without issues.

Note, I would control the rope light differently. Separate switch/dimmer...

Here is why:
When you want the cool effect of the rope light, but super dim, you are still going to have light directly above your screen (even with a soffit, etc). This can either wash out the image or mess with the contrast a lot as you eyes now have another light emitting into your eyes. Dark scenes in movies will either be washed out a little or in contrast to the rope light (even on dim) lose dark detail.

An extra dimmer is cheap in the scheme of things, and really the rope light is best left off anyway for during a movie.

My color changing LED rope light doesn't even go over the screen (it goes down the side soffits and across the back) and I never leave it on for during a movie.
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#403135 - 04/15/14 07:18 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Is there a dip switch or something on the lutron units to give them different IR codes. Ie command individually? 3 gang box sounds like where I'll end up. Sconces, ropes and overheads/pots controlled individually.

The soffit will be "8" shaped to conceal a beam in the center if the room. The front of the soffit will be behind the screen wall when done. I will likely go with a yellow or warm light if I can find some dimmable leds that dont need a transformer for every 20' or so. Maybe incandescent otherwise.

Many thanks btw for your input all. Appreciated! smile
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#403139 - 04/15/14 07:44 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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You guys.

I give up.

You're so far ahead of where I'll ever be, that I'm considering just watching everything on my phone and listening through earbuds from now on.

So, so cool.
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#403143 - 04/15/14 08:27 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Originally Posted By: Serenity_Now
Is there a dip switch or something on the lutron units to give them different IR codes. Ie command individually? 3 gang box sounds like where I'll end up. Sconces, ropes and overheads/pots controlled individually.

The soffit will be "8" shaped to conceal a beam in the center if the room. The front of the soffit will be behind the screen wall when done. I will likely go with a yellow or warm light if I can find some dimmable leds that dont need a transformer for every 20' or so. Maybe incandescent otherwise.

Many thanks btw for your input all. Appreciated! smile


None of that I know of.. I have two lutron switches because of the 2 pot lights banks.. they are controlled simultaneously from the harmony remote, when I turn on an activity they come all on then go to the fav preset of the lutron switch... one is set on half dim and the other off.. so I belive it would work for the application you are looking for... the only problem I have is to have the lights turn on when I ask the harmony to turn everything off..

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#403148 - 04/15/14 09:32 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Yeah, if your remote send a "full on" signal to one, then they all get it. If you send the "preset" signal, then they all go to their preset (which CAN be set different per switch), but not independently controlled.

I can't remember if it was Lutron or another brand, but someone makes an additional unit that allows you to set up a number of "scenes" and you can connect multiple dimmers to it.
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#403149 - 04/15/14 09:36 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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OK. Found it. Leviton Vizia RF+ or possibly even better is the Z Wave...

I found this on the Z Wave (also mentions some other products too):
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1469044/multiple-dimmer-switch-remote-control

Just don't yell at me if you don't like the price.
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#403151 - 04/15/14 11:54 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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I could stand the overheads on a manual dimmer for entry/exit and general use. 2 lutron units could be used as scene lighting during movies as you have mentioned with preset dim levels. Pretty slick and user friendly.

Also

There will be a smart relay controlling a room exhaust fan off of my AVR trigger, so likely I can program it to open the main overhead lighting when BD input is selected. Makeshift automation, but works.

So, come in room, turn on main light switch.

Hit all on in harmony and sconces and ropes come on with gear.

Select watch movie (BD) and mains lights turn off (relay trigger) and lutrons dim down.

I'd set it up so "play" dims to off and "pause" or "stop" dims to preset.

Turning all off would return the relay to N/C state and main overheads would come back on. Sconces and ropes off.

This is already getting fun!
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#403152 - 04/16/14 12:13 AM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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It has to be bulletproof simple for when the room is used when I'm not around.

A grafik eye would be cool, but holy expensive!

Lutron + harmony seems like the answer so far.

I checked out the z-wave stuff and it looks cool as well. Price will decide I'm sure.
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#403176 - 04/16/14 06:39 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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NOTE: Do yourself a huge favor and have a spot for your remote (with power for charging) close to the light switches!!!

I wish REALLY BADLY that I had done this. Instead, I have to walk to the back of the room by my equipment rack, grab the remote (and now I am standing where I can't hit the "Watch a Movie" button and have everything turn on), then walk to my seat, sit down, point the remote at the screen (to bounce the signal) and turn things on.

Had the remote had a little cubby shelf near the door/light switches, I could grab it and hit the button immediately upon entering the room.
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#403179 - 04/16/14 07:21 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: nickbuol]
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Originally Posted By: nickbuol

Had the remote had a little cubby shelf near the door/light switches, I could grab it and hit the button immediately upon entering the room.

Or you could do something crazy like just turning on the light switch with your finger at the door.
A ridiculous idea, i know.
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#403183 - 04/16/14 07:57 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: chesseroo]
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Originally Posted By: chesseroo
Originally Posted By: nickbuol

Had the remote had a little cubby shelf near the door/light switches, I could grab it and hit the button immediately upon entering the room.

Or you could do something crazy like just turning on the light switch with your finger at the door.
A ridiculous idea, i know.
smirk


You may have missed my point. I DO hit the light switch, but to turn on the gear in the room, I have to walk to the back of the room, literally the furthest spot away from the door. That is why I would want it need the door/light switch area. HE was saying that he wanted to turn everything on (including the lights) from the remote. wink
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#403189 - 04/16/14 10:42 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Yep, will have a cubby above the light switches. Great idea. Keep em coming!

Chess, finger switches are sooooo 1999. Lol. We will have the option for both cases with the lutron units. smile
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#403190 - 04/16/14 10:54 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Hey Nick, you ever think of a cool looking frame with velcro and putting a velcro sticker on the back of your remote? I guess that doesnt solve the charging situation though.

I opted for the 650 after I found out a friend had issues with the batts after a year with his harmony one.
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#403194 - 04/16/14 11:57 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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#403367 - 04/20/14 01:58 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: chesseroo]
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Originally Posted By: chesseroo
Originally Posted By: nickbuol

Had the remote had a little cubby shelf near the door/light switches, I could grab it and hit the button immediately upon entering the room.

Or you could do something crazy like just turning on the light switch with your finger at the door.
A ridiculous idea, i know.
smirk


hahahaha good one!

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#403375 - 04/20/14 09:31 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: JBG]
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Originally Posted By: JBG
Originally Posted By: chesseroo
Originally Posted By: nickbuol

Had the remote had a little cubby shelf near the door/light switches, I could grab it and hit the button immediately upon entering the room.

Or you could do something crazy like just turning on the light switch with your finger at the door.
A ridiculous idea, i know.
smirk


hahahaha good one!


None of you saw my post BEFORE the above quoted posts? Here is what I put....

Originally Posted By: nickbuol

You may have missed my point. I DO hit the light switch, but to turn on the gear in the room, I have to walk to the back of the room, literally the furthest spot away from the door. That is why I would want it need the door/light switch area. HE was saying that he wanted to turn everything on (including the lights) from the remote. wink
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#403382 - 04/21/14 12:07 AM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Its a great touch to have lighting on a remote. When lighting commands are integrated with gear commands it is really a wowing affect. A cheap way to make an install feel professional.

The units mentioned in this thread can be retrofitted to any exising installation. You just have to watch for 2 wire or 3 wire requirements for install. The lutron units are affordable at $50 or so. Great value I think.

I like the idea of an RF remote, especially for locating gear out of sight. I can look at one down the road when all the other tweaks are exhausted. smile

A little ingenuity keeps the hobby fresh and fun smile command recliners interlocked with lighting would really be boss! grin but not gonna happen in my space.
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#403653 - 04/29/14 08:35 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Here in our place now. Stuff arrived safe and sound. The space will actally be a little smaller than originally thought, but still a healthy 14.5 x 22 x 8 estimated when complete. Have to alter drawings and consult with an engineer to remove a support post. Then relocate a heating oil tank to the garage. Work ahead just to get to the framing stages! The post on the partially demoed wall corner is the make or break. Fingers crossed. Oh well. So far:

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#403657 - 04/30/14 01:48 AM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Post=good
Remove post=bad
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#403663 - 04/30/14 09:29 AM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Originally Posted By: Serenity_Now
Here in our place now. Stuff arrived safe and sound. The space will actally be a little smaller than originally thought, but still a healthy 14.5 x 22 x 8 estimated when complete. Have to alter drawings and consult with an engineer to remove a support post. Then relocate a heating oil tank to the garage. Work ahead just to get to the framing stages! The post on the partially demoed wall corner is the make or break. Fingers crossed. Oh well. So far:



If you bring in a structural engineer they will say "No. You cannot just remove that post." I have heard of people trying to add more to an existing beam to make it beefier, but there are horror stories about that too if not done exactly right. The best recommendation for reducing/eliminating some posts is replacing the beam with a steel one. This is no minor undertaking.

Your best bet is to bring in an expert as you planned, and tell them what you are trying to accomplish. They will give you the best advice on how to make it happy. It probably won't be cheap though. Just saying that now so that your expectations are set.
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#403666 - 04/30/14 10:05 AM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Sorry guys, didnt make it clear.

An engineer will determine how to accomplish this. My preference is to sink an LVL into the floor space to eliminate the protruding beam altogether. We are also facing the likelihood of beefing up the neighboring footing.

We bought this house with the basement space as a requirement. This post would be dead center in the room. Maybe military invisible paint?
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#403670 - 04/30/14 11:56 AM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Hmmm.... Interesting...
How would the LVL beam go up into the floor joists without compromising the structural integrity of the joist system? I've never heard of something like that, and it certainly would have been awesome for some of the basements I've finished in the past.
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#403671 - 04/30/14 12:17 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Like this. Have to use right hangers too. Seems promising perhaps.

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#403672 - 04/30/14 02:04 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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#403676 - 04/30/14 02:38 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Wow. I wondered if that is what you were looking into.
Those aren't up to code here. I think that it is just a city code though. They are sticklers about a lot of stuff where i live. Here, the floor joists must have a beam *under* them.

I've heard that pretty much everywhere allows you to do this for ceilings in main living areas where there is just an attic above it. For most homes though, that isn't needed since the roof trusses are also the ceiling "joists" anymore.

A lot of work is involved to do go this route. You would need to support each and every floor joist on both sides of where the current beam is, and then you would need to cut out (as precisely as possible) where you want the beam to go up in to. Then put the beam up, attach the hangers, and remove the temporary supports.

Here is a link with some pictures at the end showing how it can be done.
Installing a load bearing beam

If you can somehow live with a beam (or end up having to live with one for code requirements), you could put a metal beam right next to the current beam, get it supported with poles (obviously a lot further apart than your current ones and would need new footings), and then remove the current poles and beam. Would solve the pole issue probably, be less work, and probably less cost that all of the materials and labor to do it the other way.

I moved a 12 foot beam in my current house to accomplish what you are thinking with the joist hangers. I didn't want it right above where my wet bar was supposed to go. I ended up turning my home theater wall into a load bearing wall that was about 3 feet to one side of the beam. I made another temp wall (with studs right under the each floor joist), and then moved my wall beam over 3 feet away from the theater. There is duct work right in that area, so now it just became a part of that framing. Obviously I built up supports for each end, but they ended up inside what were to become walls and thus never be seen.

For the other beam in the basement that ran about 20-25 feet, I just lined up a wall with it to be a part of our office and bathroom.

I love the look you are going for without a visible beam, but unfortunately for you your beam is right in the middle of the basement.
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#403677 - 04/30/14 02:39 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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#403678 - 04/30/14 02:53 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: nickbuol]
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Nick,

I have no idea if I'll be able to swing it here either. I dont even know what day garbage day is yet so I have to do some homework. Ha! smile Would be better for feng shui for sure.

My father in law does this stuff for a living and we work well together. Should be alright from that end. We are planning to brick over the windows in the room as well as inject a cranky crack we found in the foundation wall. I've read too many build and tear apart threads.....

Including myself, we are pretty trades oriented and this should be a pretty fun build. Exciting! Its nice when the rest of the family is bringing up the basement plans ahead of me. I'm playing coy so it seems like they are urging it on. So far so good. grin
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#403681 - 04/30/14 04:08 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Take lots of pictures. Always good to have before and after documentation, plus good for whenever you end up selling the house so that you can show that you fixed the cracks. I fixed a few foundation cracks and made sure that I showed that it was done very well. It looked just like the one that the professionals did before we bought the house. It is actually pretty easy and just adds piece of mind.

Good luck with whatever you do. I didn't mean to come across as a downer, but so many times I see people getting their hopes up on things just to have them not have the skills or understanding to do it right. It sounds like you are going to be just fine once you find out what you can do about those beams.
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#403685 - 04/30/14 05:06 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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No sweat. Its good to have people like you who have been and done to keep my feet on the ground! smile Its great input.
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#403815 - 05/03/14 03:01 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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#404028 - 05/09/14 02:45 AM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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I like the concept of an RF distant, especially for finding equipment out of vision. I can look at one in the future when all the other modifications are tired.
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#404050 - 05/10/14 10:34 AM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Waiting on calculations from engineer. LVL likely! Too cool. grin
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#404566 - 05/23/14 07:51 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Ok, so three beam options exist to remove the post.

1. Bolt C channel steel along both sides of the existing beam.
Pros- easiest option, cheapest at under 500$ Done in few hours.
Cons- beam still keeps its current protrusion into the headroom of the space.

2. 4 2x11 LVLs sandwiched together and sunk into the floor joist.
Pros- beam now protrudes only 3" into headroom of space.
Cons- more work and higher cost of approx 1000$

3. 8"x8" I Beam sunk into joist space with 2x8 laminated on top to hang floor joist from.
Pros- beam protrudes 1.5"' slightly less.
Cons- most work and lifting involved (over 400 lbs). Most expensive option at around 1200$ Most work to retrofit into current beam foundation pocket.

All three options allow the removal of the post and are suggested by an engineer as suitable choices. What should I do? What would you pick?


Edited by Serenity_Now (05/23/14 08:20 PM)
Edit Reason: Floor 8", not 10"
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#404567 - 05/23/14 08:15 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Option 3 and don't look back. A post in the room is such a detractor to the whole room.
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#404568 - 05/23/14 08:24 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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I rechecked the plan and option 3 results in a 1.5" beam protrusion actually. Still better than 3". But worth the extra headache.... Dunno.

I Beam spec'd is 448lbs. Just getting it down there will be a bear.
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#404572 - 05/23/14 09:57 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Originally Posted By: Serenity_Now
I rechecked the plan and option 3 results in a 1.5" beam protrusion actually. Still better than 3". But worth the extra headache.... Dunno.

I Beam spec'd is 448lbs. Just getting it down there will be a bear.

Mike Holmes says do it once, do it right.

So i hear.
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#404581 - 05/23/14 11:50 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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Crazy cheap
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#404596 - 05/24/14 09:43 AM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Serenity_Now]
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I had no idea on the cost until we went through an engineer. Happily surprised.

I guess where most people would encounter thousands of dollars is hiring the entire process out and working in a finished space. Putting it all back together when removing a finished wall can be costly. Luckily its just a concrete hole so far.

Option 1 is out for sure. Deciding between 2 and 3. Option 2 is attractive because it will be easy to relocate the electrical to the bottom of the joist neighboring the LVLs and have a small bulkhead to cover it up.
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