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#404396 - 05/20/14 12:24 PM M100 or LFR1100
iloveturbo Offline
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Registered: 05/20/14
Posts: 65
Loc: Taiwan (yes, that's in Asia :)...
Hi all,

Greeting from Taiwan. A new member here! I email the same question to Axiom on Sunday and haven't gotten any reply so I figure I will try here. I have a full set of Epic 80.800 7.1 (all v3) system set up for my media room.

http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/ubbthreads.php/galleries/404392

M80 and the rest of Axiom gears are great so far. But I do 2CH stereo listening also and find the lower range of M80 a bit lacking (still a very capable speaker!). However, what do you guys think about the new Omni LFR1100? How would that fit in with the rest of Axiom V3 gears for HT? Considering this room was set up as media room to begin with. I am worry that omni speakers are not going to cope with the rest of the system. I do have a dedicated listening room somewhere in the house. But it would be nice to be able to enjoy some 2CH music in this room from time to time. So what's your take on the LFR1100 as main speakers for HT application? or are the M100s better suited for this purpose? Thanks for your input.

Cheers

Howard


Edited by iloveturbo (05/20/14 12:27 PM)

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#404397 - 05/20/14 12:40 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
exlabdriver Offline
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Registered: 09/07/11
Posts: 1027
Howard:

Last weekend was a long holiday weekend over here so perhaps that is why you didn't get a reply yet.

Can't you use your tremendous sub with your M80s for music?

TAM

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#404398 - 05/20/14 12:46 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
BobKay Offline
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Registered: 03/23/10
Posts: 3159
Loc: Massachusetts Badlands
Welcome, Howard. There are many regular visitors here who can and will answer your questions. Be patient. It won't take long.

There are many more qualified than I for info, but I just traded in my M60's for M100's. I do A LOT of 2 ch listening. These are not larger versions of M80's. They are a different animal.

A friend who has v3-M80's came over to hear the 100's and now doesn't talk to me anymore. And you will have to turn up your sub to even notice it's on.

I love them to pieces.

LFR's are, again, a different animal.

My 1st suggestion is not to re-email Axiom, but to call them at the 866 # at the top of this page. They WILL get back to you and they WILL answer all of your questions.

Good luck. Let us know what you decide.


Edited by BobKay (05/20/14 12:48 PM)
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#404402 - 05/20/14 12:58 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8290
Loc: Tacoma
Welcome, Howard!

That is a VERY beautiful home theater room!

And you say that you ALSO have a dedicated listening room elsewhere? Very good, and congratulations!

I do not think it would be worth the extra expense to purchase LFR1100 for 2-channel listening IN THAT ROOM. You seem to be quite limited in speaker placement due to the projection screen and the furniture. I do not think you would be able to adequately position the LFR1100 to optimize their performance.

Bob's experience with the M100's would seem to be very relevant to your situation, though. I would not have hesitation about purchasing new versions of that model and having them integrate well with the rest of your beautiful system.

Cheers!
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#404405 - 05/20/14 01:21 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: tomtuttle]
iloveturbo Offline
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Registered: 05/20/14
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Loc: Taiwan (yes, that's in Asia :)...
Originally Posted By: exlabdriver
Last weekend was a long holiday weekend over here so perhaps that is why you didn't get a reply yet.
Can't you use your tremendous sub with your M80s for music?
TAM


Ah, that makes perfect sense. I am sure they will get back to me as their customer service had been great.

You are right, that sub can always be switched on. But for us two channel lover, we sometime like to get back to the basic and let just the two speakers do the dance.

Originally Posted By: BobKay
A friend who has v3-M80's came over to hear the 100's and now doesn't talk to me anymore.


lol. He hates you doesn't he?

Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
Welcome, Howard!
And you say that you ALSO have a dedicated listening room elsewhere? Very good, and congratulations!
That is a VERY beautiful home theater room!


Thanks for the kind word. Yeah the dedicated room got some B&W / Accuphase love. That's where I do my mind meditating smile

By the sound of it the LFR1100 would be far more position critical than M100?

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Cheers

Howard

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#404407 - 05/20/14 01:58 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8290
Loc: Tacoma
Originally Posted By: iloveturbo
By the sound of it the LFR1100 would be far more position critical than M100?


I think the resounding answer is "yes".

Now, I own neither product (and actually haven't even heard them, yet), so my answer is based primarily on study of the Axiom product line and design philosophy over the years.

The LFR1100 will simply have more interaction with the room than a direct-radiating speaker (like the M80 or M100). The LFR series relies on direct and reflected sound, so positioning relative to the back wall and other boundaries is more important.

I'm sure that the LFR1100's would sound very lovely in that room. My concern is that you don't seem to have much latitude regarding the main speaker placement relative to the rear wall, side walls or furniture. As such, you may not be able to optimize their omnidirectional properties. But they certainly wouldn't sound WORSE than the M100's.

And - who knows - you might like them better than your B&W's and rearrange everything!
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#404432 - 05/20/14 07:14 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: tomtuttle]
iloveturbo Offline
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Registered: 05/20/14
Posts: 65
Loc: Taiwan (yes, that's in Asia :)...
The size of the media room is actually twice as large then shown in the photo. So I got some more room to play with in that sense. So question remains, how well would the omni directional speaker like LFR-1100 work in a HT application? I think M100 will more matched in that sense since it shares similar design to M80.

Update: Got response from Brent, I thought I share with rest of you.

Originally Posted By: Brent Tombari
The LFR1100 would be superb within a HT format and would interact without issue with your current components. The LFR1100 will require 4 channels of power to drive the speakers. If your current drive system has main L/R preouts, they would connect to the DSP L/R inputs, from the DSP outputs your would connect the 4 channel amplifier which in turn connects to the LFR1100. I would recommend that you look to either the ADA1250-4 or the ADA1500-4 amplifier to drive the LFR1100.



Edited by iloveturbo (05/20/14 07:32 PM)

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#404433 - 05/20/14 07:33 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
oakvillematt Offline
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Registered: 05/06/14
Posts: 186
Loc: Oakville, Canada
I recently picked up a set of M80.v4 speakers and coming from a pair of small bookshelf Energy C3 to the larger M80, I can't imagine someone saying they sound lacking.

I had posted on another forum section about CD/Albums that sound under-welming with the Axiom speakers. Some songs that once before to me were great, with the new better speakers now sound empty and lacking body. The problem for me is not the speakers, but simply the recording just isn't good enough. An adequate speaker can make anything sound pretty good. But hook up a great speaker and all the limitations and inadequacies of an inferior recording are displayed up front and center as the speaker re-produces what was recorded with crystal clarity. That was what I ran into.

So I ask, just for clarification. Does the speakers sound lacking with all music or just some? And the music that is lacking, does it sound just as lacking in your dedicated listening room?

Another option that you can try to get better sound might be to look into room acoustics? I have found that music tends to be more demanding on the room than a movie, so where a movie can overpower the room limitations.. music relies on subtleties that can easily get lost in a room that is acoustically not right.

Please don't take this as me pointing the finger at you, as I have never been in your room or know anything about how it is set up. Just offering some ideas to look into before ordering new equipment. I'd hate for you to buy new stuff only to find out it sounds the same as it's not the hardware but the room or recording that is causing the deficiency.
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#404434 - 05/20/14 07:48 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
exlabdriver Offline
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Registered: 09/07/11
Posts: 1027
Perhaps you could get another sub & hook it up in truly 2 Channel (Stereo) mode.

This is what I do with my M2s Sats plus a pair of EP400s Subs hooked up to my Tube Amp from the amp's 'speaker out' connections to the 'High Level In' on each sub - not through an LFE channel where both channels are most often combined.

This way they are truly 2 CH Stereo with the nice ability to dial in the bass response the way that makes you happy....

TAM

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#404435 - 05/20/14 08:04 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: oakvillematt]
iloveturbo Offline
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Registered: 05/20/14
Posts: 65
Loc: Taiwan (yes, that's in Asia :)...
Originally Posted By: oakvillematt
I recently picked up a set of M80.v4 speakers and coming from a pair of small bookshelf Energy C3 to the larger M80, I can't imagine someone saying they sound lacking.


Hey Matt, thx for the input. Glad to hear from another M80 owner. The lower frequency response on V4 is suppose to be vastly improved to V3 due to redesign of drivers. But you are absolutely right, there are plenty of other improvement can be made to the room to further enhance the experience before needing to upgrade anything at all.

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