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#404519 - 05/22/14 11:43 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
dakkon Offline
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Registered: 02/08/04
Posts: 1842
Originally Posted By: Crimson Wrath
When the LFRs first came out in their first year there only seemed to be a small handful of people that actually had them and would discuss about them on forums.



I've got the second pair of LFR's. I try to help when i can. but, honestly... I haven't seen too many questions in regards to the LFR's.. Now that the M100's are out, maybe there will be a bit more questions like Howard's. Granted, i can't speak to a direct comparison between the M100 vs LFR's (however, Ian.. if you're reading this, ill take a pair of M100's you've got my address smile ). But, for a while i did essentially have a pair of M100's, when my DSP was getting upgraded (the rear drivers were not working, just the front ones). So, i can semi speak to a direct comparison. Even though it would be a loose comparison...

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#404522 - 05/23/14 01:26 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: dakkon]
iloveturbo Offline
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Registered: 05/20/14
Posts: 65
Loc: Taiwan (yes, that's in Asia :)...
Originally Posted By: dakkon
did you get a DSP channel for your vp180?

That is the exact same setup that i've got. Now, you'll need to decide which XLR cables to get..


I wasn't informed that I need to get the DSP for the VP180. Do I need one?? Mine is the none HP version.

As for the XLR cable, we are definately on the same page.

Cheers

-Howard

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#404525 - 05/23/14 05:16 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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Registered: 06/30/09
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Loc: NC
If you're mostly using the towers for music with a little HT use then I wonder how much benefit getting the upgraded DSP for the center would give you. While looking at upgrading my VP150 to the VP180 I also don't see much benefit to getting the high powered versions for the center. It's mostly used for dialog in movies, so having the upgraded woofers that can handle higher volume without distortion & compression seems unnecessary unless you're HT listening area is really huge and is seating many people.
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#404527 - 05/23/14 05:24 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: dakkon]
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Registered: 06/30/09
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Loc: NC
Originally Posted By: dakkon
Originally Posted By: Crimson Wrath
When the LFRs first came out in their first year there only seemed to be a small handful of people that actually had them and would discuss about them on forums.



I've got the second pair of LFR's. I try to help when i can. but, honestly... I haven't seen too many questions in regards to the LFR's.. Now that the M100's are out, maybe there will be a bit more questions like Howard's. Granted, i can't speak to a direct comparison between the M100 vs LFR's (however, Ian.. if you're reading this, ill take a pair of M100's you've got my address smile ). But, for a while i did essentially have a pair of M100's, when my DSP was getting upgraded (the rear drivers were not working, just the front ones). So, i can semi speak to a direct comparison. Even though it would be a loose comparison...


Yeah I remember you talking about your LFRs here and other forums a while back. I remember I think on AVS where you were questioned even from the mods on why you got Axiom over Wilsons, and why you were using Krell for Axiom as it seemed overkill. Lots of Axiom bashing over there and Audioholics, but you kept to your guns if I recall.
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#404528 - 05/23/14 05:26 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: Crimson Wrath]
iloveturbo Offline
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Registered: 05/20/14
Posts: 65
Loc: Taiwan (yes, that's in Asia :)...
I have no clue why DSP is even needed for the center channel, I was under the impression that signal processing is done via AVR. I tried to look into the Axiom DSP page but I couldn't find more info on it.

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#404531 - 05/23/14 08:21 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
cohesion Offline
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Registered: 03/27/12
Posts: 202
Loc: Maple, Ontario, Canada
I just measured and one speaker is about 55 cm from the wall, the other over 65 cm. Ideally they'd both be at 65 but one is near a doorway so this isn't feasible. Also, in my small room this is really the best I can do but with more space I'd try moving them even further.

I hope this helps!

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#404533 - 05/23/14 08:29 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
cohesion Offline
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Registered: 03/27/12
Posts: 202
Loc: Maple, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: iloveturbo
I have no clue why DSP is even needed for the center channel, I was under the impression that signal processing is done via AVR. I tried to look into the Axiom DSP page but I couldn't find more info on it.


The DSP for the centre channel is entirely optional. It is simply to further smooth and straighten the response curves for the centre channel speaker. I currently have the VP180 non-HP and I did get the DSP for the centre but haven't tried to do any comparison between with and without the centre DSP. As I understand it the differences would be fairly subtle.

If you like to use Audyssey or some equivalent technology, you may want to check with Axiom on whether it is compatible with the LFR's and centre DSP. In the worst case scenario it might not work at all, and I think it would be very tricky at best to have it work in a positive way at all.

I am not using any form of digital room correction in my system.

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#404534 - 05/23/14 08:37 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: Crimson Wrath]
cohesion Offline
local

Registered: 03/27/12
Posts: 202
Loc: Maple, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Crimson Wrath
If you're mostly using the towers for music with a little HT use then I wonder how much benefit getting the upgraded DSP for the center would give you. While looking at upgrading my VP150 to the VP180 I also don't see much benefit to getting the high powered versions for the center. It's mostly used for dialog in movies, so having the upgraded woofers that can handle higher volume without distortion & compression seems unnecessary unless you're HT listening area is really huge and is seating many people.


As I understand it, the current trend in movie soundtracks is that more and more audio is being included in the centre channel. I also use my HT for music, including multi-channel music and though I have a small room I do have a tendency to crank the volume up. I was fortunate enough to find a VP180HP for a good price in the Axiom Outlet so I snapped it up. I'll get it installed along with my new v4 LFR's once all the pieces come together.

For what it's worth, my guess is that even the difference between the HP vs regular VP180 is probably bigger than the difference between having or not having the centre channel DSP on the VP180. Hopefully we'll get a comment from Ian or Andrew on this...

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#404539 - 05/23/14 10:36 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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Registered: 05/20/14
Posts: 65
Loc: Taiwan (yes, that's in Asia :)...
Cohesion, thanks a lot for your input. So you got the VP180 HP? Very nice!

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#404577 - 05/23/14 10:36 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: cohesion]
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Registered: 05/20/14
Posts: 65
Loc: Taiwan (yes, that's in Asia :)...
Originally Posted By: cohesion
[quote=iloveturbo]
If you like to use Audyssey or some equivalent technology, you may want to check with Axiom on whether it is compatible with the LFR's


Thats a great question. I am going to email Axiom and post my result for everyone who might be in the same boat.

Cheers

Howard

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