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#404620 - 05/24/14 09:57 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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They customize the DSP for the center that it will be used with. In other words, if you ordered one for your LFRs and your VP180, the DSP would be built for the LFRs and the VP180. If someone ordered one for their M80s and a VP160, it would be built for those.
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#404621 - 05/24/14 10:50 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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That's nice. I have a gut feeling that I will end up bypassing Audyssey!

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#404656 - 05/26/14 03:12 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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Got a reply from Brent and I quote

"The LFR1100 or any omni-directional performing speaker, would not be compatible with Audyssey or other room correction devices. Turn the room correction off and set up the system manually for the best performance for both music or movie soundtracks.

The DSP provides a very linear performance to the VP180 which is already avery linear performer. The gain is not substantial with the DSP for the center speaker. You would have mush greater improvement to the system by upgrading the VP180 from v3 to v4 high power to match the LFR1100 which are High Power as well."

Hopefully this helps anyone who may be in the same boat.

-Howard

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#404670 - 05/27/14 11:44 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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So for one that already has an AVR with auto correction software such as Audyssey MultXT 32 the DSP inclusion for LFRs would be out of place, or rather the AVR would. This really makes me want to hear them now, because I love the sound correction made by my Denon X4000. I suppose if once testing LFRs after manually setting them up properly you'd have to decide which sounds better, the LFRs or the previous stereo/AVR setup, then either returning the entire setup of LFRs with their DSP, or returning/selling your fancy AVR with auto correction depending on which you could finally decide on.
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#404712 - 05/28/14 01:33 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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I currently have the VP180 non-HP and I did get the DSP for the center but have not tried to do any evaluation between with and without the center DSP.
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#404758 - 05/28/14 05:01 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: Crimson Wrath]
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Originally Posted By: Crimson Wrath
So for one that already has an AVR with auto correction software such as Audyssey MultXT 32 the DSP inclusion for LFRs would be out of place, or rather the AVR would. This really makes me want to hear them now, because I love the sound correction made by my Denon X4000. I suppose if once testing LFRs after manually setting them up properly you'd have to decide which sounds better, the LFRs or the previous stereo/AVR setup, then either returning the entire setup of LFRs with their DSP, or returning/selling your fancy AVR with auto correction depending on which you could finally decide on.


You could get the LFRs without the DSP for the centre channel, then you'd still be able to use Audyssey for the centre and surrounds. That is, as long as your receiver allows this option.

I cannot imagine that, after hearing the LFRs, you'd want to send them back...

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#404815 - 05/29/14 09:29 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: Crimson Wrath]
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Originally Posted By: Crimson Wrath
So for one that already has an AVR with auto correction software such as Audyssey MultXT 32 the DSP inclusion for LFRs would be out of place, or rather the AVR would.


That is what my original concern with LFR1100 was knowing that it's not going to be compatible with room correction software. But I took the plunge and ordered a set anyway. I did so because knowing Andrew's past experience in designing Dipolar/Omnidirectional loudspeakers. I also got the VP180 V4 HP center upgrade just for the heck of it and I still got the M80 V3 so I will be able to do some comparison tests too.

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#404867 - 05/30/14 02:43 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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Update:

I was planning to power the LFRs with pair of Parasound A21. But I sold them today to a friend so my plan has to alter for a bit. A colleague of mine who happens to be an audiophile told me he has been testing his Revel Salon2 with a pair of pro amp by Crown for few months and he was very impressed by them. Today I had the pleasure to listen to his salons in his house driven by two Crown XLS 2500 and I too am impressed by what I heard. We discussed the possibility of removing the fan and make the unit passive cooled as well as making a 12V trigger to power on the units to better suit the home environment .

Long story short, few hours later (I gotta stop spending money on audio gear, according to my better half) I took the plunge and ordered two sets of Crown XLS2000 for my mains, and three sets of Crown XLS1500 to power my new VP180 V4HP and four QS8. I think it's safe to say I should have enough power for my new home theatre smile I will let you guys know how it turns out.

Below are the spec of the XLS series and a thread by Andrew Robinson, interesting reads.

XLS 1000 XLS 1500 XLS 2000 XLS 2500

Stereo (2 Ohms) 550 Watts 775 Watts 1050 Watts 1200 Watts
Stereo (4 Ohms) 350 Watts 525 Watts 650 Watts 775 Watts
Stereo (8 Ohms) 215 Watts 300 Watts 375 Watts 440 Watts
Bridge (8 Ohms) 700Watts 1050 Watts 1300 Watts 1550 Watts
Bridge (4 Ohms) 1100 Watts 1550 Watts 2100 Watts 2400 Watts

http://www.crownaudio.com/xls-drivecore.html

http://www.hometheaterequipment.com/mono....html#post20994

-Howard


Edited by iloveturbo (05/30/14 02:58 AM)

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#404876 - 05/30/14 12:15 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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Please share your impressions after you get them hooked up! I use a pro amp for my subs, but hadn't considered going with pro amps for the other speakers.
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#404879 - 05/30/14 12:43 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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i use pro-amps for all my speakers, except for the subs which have their own amplification.
i would not want it any other way.
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