Re: M100 max spl
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I humbly bow to Norimasa Kitagawa and all the other great TX-NR818 engineers who are responsible for the electronics in my audio path. Without their ingenuity, my room-speaker-source system would still sound like total dog shit.
This is the last great receiver Onkyo built and the team that designed it, lived and breathed electronics and had a deep passion for audio. They worked around the clock to deliver functionality and performance you can't find in a receiver 3x the price. And the good folks at Visions let 7 of them go to me and my friends for what amounted to a song and a dance. I'll forever be in the debt of all those who had anything to do with this purchase and when I can no longer source components to repair it if it ever breaks down, I will keep it and take it to the crematorium where it and I can fuse for eternity.
I'm in a 4,200 ft^3 room, 14' away from my M80s and this integrated receiver ROCKS!
BTW, I see the same passion at Axiom. Passion matters. The 160 and 800 just might be coming on that joyride to eternity.
House of the Rising Sone Out in the mid or far field Dedicated mid-woofers are over-rated
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Re: M100 max spl
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Sorry, I didn't realize you were specifically talking about the pre-amp portion of the pioneer.
Not all pre amps are created equal and I agree with what you are saying for sure.
Id say perhaps my experience with pre amps outside of the big box store is limited (spanning equipment from 1970 to 2005: rotel, pioneer, denon, Yamaha, Bose, Kenwood, Marantz, Harmon kardon, onkyo).
Id say for pre amp purposes the pioneer has been my favourite. I bought a Marantz SR7005 but after 3 days took it back and opted for the pioneer
I've only heard amazing things about the anthem. I was also eyeing up the emotiva pre amp at one time. Any experience with them?
2 Axiom M80s v3-custom 1 Axiom VP160 v3-custom 2 Axiom QS10HP 2 Cerwin Vega CMX 12's Pioneer SC-57
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Re: M100 max spl
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Hi Mojo, This is all correct. It is big rooms, big parties, and/or just wanting to be able crank-it-up where the power requirements go up fast. As an example if you are 28' away your starting point is 77 dB. That means four times the power is required to reach the same levels as being 14' away. Or if you wanted it to be twice as loud to keep up with the alcohol consumption, that is around another 10 dB required. Now you need 40 times the power in your bigger room. After all this I am sure someone will ask you to turn it up just a bit more.
Ian Colquhoun President & Chief Engineer
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Re: M100 max spl
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Ahhh good old alcohol and the volume button lol *grin*
I've had people dancing in my medium sized living room and dining room to the m80s (when I had my rotel power amp running that is). The axiom speakers have some serious muscle. They are deceiving to anyone I've cranked them for.
2 Axiom M80s v3-custom 1 Axiom VP160 v3-custom 2 Axiom QS10HP 2 Cerwin Vega CMX 12's Pioneer SC-57
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Re: M100 max spl
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I want it all!
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Re: M100 max spl
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Mad_Chesser. you are likely very right that the older stuff did more right than an awful lot of the newer stuff. As I eluded to in a previous post, the sound I got from my old Nakamichi AV1 seemed to blow away anything that I had bought post (except for my Anthem).
I think that the trend with modern mainstream receivers and pre's is to put far too much post-processing inside the unit that has a detrimental effect to the sound when you have some great speakers that are very revealing like the Axioms
Anthem: AVM60, Fosi DAC-Q5 Axiom: ADA1500, LFR1100 Actiive, QS8, EP500, M3, M3comp, M5
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Re: M100 max spl
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My tube integrated amp has no chips that I know of. Therefore no processing except what comes out of my CD or SACD players.
It is connected directly to the Hi Level Inputs of my EP400s that do the heavy lifting down low - each outputting 500W. The mids/highs are handled mostly by the tubes that easily drive my M2s for a nice clean, articulate sound.
There is never any stress or nastiness that I can detect. I like it...
TAM
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Re: M100 max spl
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I didn't know you have M2s. Are they v4?
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My EP400s are V3s, M2s are V3s just like my M3s (not used with subs).
They all sound just fine & will not require replacing...
TAM
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Re: M100 max spl
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Do the M2s sound better than the M3s?
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