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Not sure I agree... it takes years before you can get away with charging for quality, and in between you just sell better stuff for an only slightly higher price.
Problem with productivity is that there are so many ways to measure it - output per hour is probably higher onshore, but output per dollar is probably lower. Usually the latter is what I see discussed as "productivity".
Agree that material costs and R&D are going to be a significant factor though.
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I never said Axiom is charging for increased quality; only that cost of quality should be lower because Axiom's cost to maintain quality off-shore was much higher than on-shore.
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I'm trying to say politely that when you build offshore you rarely get the quality you want (because the cost of quality goes up exponentially) and so you typically end up shipping with lower quality levels than you would like. I think we agree on the facts, just not on what we do with those facts
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You see, John? That's the problem with politeness; clarity, completeness and accuracy are sacrificed. Suffice it to say off-shoring for Axiom sucked ass and I'm really happy with what I hear now.
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I understand that Axiom has moved even more of their production in-house (from offshore) over the last few years - good to see but probably brings some added costs as well. I can attest to that first hand from my visit 2 weeks ago. 100% of the assembly is made in house and many of the parts are also manufactured onsite. I don't think the little electronic parts like resistors and capacitors are manufactured on site and are likely purchased in bulk, but their assembly onto the circuit boards are done by hand by Debbie Debbie also mentioned the only thing manufactured off-shore are the wire harnesses. As for price increases, by moving manufacturing on-shore, Axiom has more control from a currency fluctuation and quality perspective but has to deal with higher labour and material costs. The increase in costs is most evident when I get a cached page load up showing prices from 3-4 years ago getting me all excited and when I click "details", the current price shows up! Bummer, guess that second EP-500 I want will have to wait!
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"I don't think the little electronic parts like resistors and capacitors are manufactured on site..."
Shame on Axiom...LOL! Axiom would need an entirely new factory, with completely different machines and skill-sets to build these.
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Holy Crap this forum is still around
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Only the speakers have changed.
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