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First of all let me thank all of you for your advice from my first post a couple of weeks back. It was because of that post that this even happened. I came home Friday to find a piece of paper folded in half with "Happy Father's day" written on the outsite sitting on my computer keyboard.
I opened it to find an Axiom order confirmation. This is where it gets good. In my first post I wondered if M22's were enough for my room size (30x30). Many of you offered suggestions, most of which I figured my wife would never go for. Well, she read the posts and this is what she ordered : 2 Epic 80's, 4 QS8's, the VP150 and the EP500.
Pretty sweet. Now for the wait. She ordered them through the outlet which came up as a 6 week wait for the QS8's.
Is the wait time for outlet orders usually close to what they quote? . More questions to come.

Congrats,that's an outstanding set up you will have.What will you be powering them with ?

Bravo, bravo, bravo. Congratulations on such a fine gift and obviously knowledgable wife. Maybe the wait won't be too long!

I originally wanted an HK7300 but I think I'll drop down to the 635.

If you can spring for the Hk7300 that is what I would do.That's a pretty big room for the 635 I would think.

The 7300 if you can. Refurbed worked for a lot of us.

Harmon Audio

Wait time wasn't nearly as long as they quoted for me in two different orders from the factory outlet. . .but don't count on this. They must set the estimated times that far out for a reason.
Congrats on the sweet setup

wow, that's a helluva Father's day present! especially since you were thinkin' 22s! you must have been a good boy this year.

WOW! Pete, that's a rare and wonderful woman. What a terrific thing to do. If I were you, I'd be sure to keep her. However, if you ever consider trading her in, let me know will ya?

If 6 weeks is the longest wait time for any of the speakers she ordered, you WILL have them by 6 weeks from now. You MAY get them earlier, but not later.

My wife is standing over my shoulder asking me to ask you what you got her for Mothers Day? Must have been a new SUV.....

She was quick to remind me that I didn't even get her a card for Mother's Day. I have a feeling this will be held over my head for quite some time.

she can hold all she wants YOU GOT THE SPEAKERS MAN! also you may notice another hefty charge on your card and more sparkle on her hand just so she evens it out. lol

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She was quick to remind me that I didn't even get her a card for Mother's Day. I have a feeling this will be held over my head for quite some time.

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Wow, what a woman!

Psycho, your wife gets my vote for Time magazine's 'Woman Of The Year' award.

I wouldn't be missing her birthday if were you.

Pete, great to hear about that loving wife of yours! My view is that you're right to go with the 635 rather than the 7300. If power is a consideration the slight difference between the two isn't likely to be significant. The 7300 would have less than a 2dB advantage in headroom. For example, your M80s will be using around 1 watt at a comfortably loud average listening level; the 7300 would be able to play a brief peak at say 112dB as compared to 110dB, which shouldn't be much of a factor. If it would turn out(it shouldn't be assumed)that you'd need more power, separate amps of at least 300 watts would have to be added, fed from the 635's preouts. Also note that the 635 has the new room equalization system developed by Dr. Toole's group, which the 7300 lacks.

The reason my wife did not get me anything for fathers day, is because I'm not her father ha ha

Actually, she did help the kids pick our a card, and we went to "The Cheescake Factory" for lunch, talk about good food, and cheesecake....

Wow…..what a gift.

I just wanted to vote for the 7300. the 635 is more than enough, but I like disagreeing with JohnK. He gets all flustered and starts chasing me around with rolled up graphs and trends on large plotted paper with mathematical equations all over them.

Mike,

That would be a sight worth seeing .

And you call me crazy

I can't swing the price on the 7300 especially since JR.com has the AVR635 for $699.99 shipped free. The only thing I'll miss other the slight power increase is the DCDi video processing by Faroudja. I think I can live without that.

A spouse who not only approved of the speaker decision, but

a) Went for one of the most expensive packages.

b) Went for one of the biggest packages.

c) Did it without being asked, as a present.

I think many would agree you're one of the luckiest men in the world. Enjoy the setup.

Hi!
No, the time is not...close!In my case it was the same as the quote!
You'll be surprised to see that the delivery date will match the date quoted when ordering!
And you'll be amazed by the quality...
Enjoy!
Octavian

NO!No!No!
You are going to regret!!!
Sincerely,
Octavian

Hi again, JohnK!
How about the fabulous lab measurements for the 7300?
Regards,
Octavian
P.S.Reading those mesurements I could not understand why the manufacturer does not list the specs accordingly?Where does this difference come from?And why?

Hi again, Octavian! Hope that since Christmas you've been enjoying a lot of the beautiful music available to us in our world. Yes, the 7300 is certainly an excellent performer; my point to Pete was that there was less than a 2dB difference in maximum output between it and the 635, which wasn't likely to be significant.

As to why the HK specs seem relatively conservative(and the same is true of the 635 and its 630 predecessor; I've seen lab measurements on the order of 200 watts into 4ohms), HK(and all other manufacturers) has to use a rating under the FTC regulations which require that the amp be run for at least 5 continuous minutes at the full rated power, which is in effect a laboratory torture test which would never be even remotely duplicated in home use. Bernard(the rat)and I have discussed this in some recent posts that might interest you. Beyond this, HK chooses to give an "all channels driven" rating, which results in a lower number than the 2 channels driven which is the basic requirement under the FTC reg. Still further, it appears that HK uses a number from well before(maybe 10% less power)the point where the distortion curve begins to turn up. The few organizations which actually do lab tests instead of just making silly comments about the "sound" of an amp use different(and probably more realistic for home use)measuring procedures than those required by the FTC and this generally results in higher power numbers, but all manufacturers have to give the numbers according to the protocol in the FTC reg. At least we know that when we're looking to buy, the rated power specs are accurate, if not a bit conservative.

Hi JohnK!
It is a pleasure to read your posts!
I am enjoying my (sic!)music indeed...opera, classical,etc...it is a dream!
Yu're saying ..."...use different measuring procedures...resulting in different values..."I give up, I am a mechanical engineer, the music is only my greatest passion...If you measure a piece of wood for istance, using two different methods ( a tape as opposed to...laser, let's say)how could you get two different values? Am I doing a mistake by this comparison?

All the best,
Octavian

Pete
Congratulations! She's a keeper. My wife and kids asked me what I wanted for father's day and I told them money to go towards my speakers. They said no that's too impersonal. I said no it is not impersonal it is the best gift I could receive. Well I got to say I was expecting the usual shirt and pants routine. When the gifts came out things we're looking good. All I saw were cards. I was hoping the wife would give me a hundred or two towads the speakers. I opened the card and there were 5 100 dollar bills in there. So I am so close now I can taste them. We have got to remember to be especially good to them. No not daily dusting and polishing of the speakers. I'm talking about the wives.
They will be there before you know it. Enjoy!
later,
oz

Yeah Octavian, if that piece of wood doesn't measure the same either the tape measure or laser may have problems. Doing lab tests on amps, it wouldn't be the measuring instruments that would differ significantly, but factors which the measurers pick, such as how long a period for each power level, how many channels being operated simultaneously, at what distortion level, etc.