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Posted By: Ray3 OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 03:13 PM
I am sitting here in Rochester, NY where we have received 8-14 inches of snow in the last 24 hours with another 6-10 inches to come today. More forecast for the weekend. The bigger problem is that we have NO TEMPERATURE!!!! That's right - it's ZERO degrees. Unless you look at the wind chill factor, then it becomes -12 degrees. it is too cold for salt to do anything with the snow/ice on the roads. The entire metropolitan area is one big bumper car arena.

AAARRRGGHHH!!!! I really HATE winter.
Posted By: FordPrefect Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 03:21 PM
I'm a bit to the north of you in Burlington Ontario, woke up to -20c thats -4f but I can see green grass on most of my property.

I don't really mind the winter but this is just a bit too cold.
Posted By: MarkSJohnson Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 03:28 PM
Ray is hinting around so his wife will let him do a Florida Golf Getaway!
Posted By: SirQuack Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 03:28 PM
Today is the first day we've got away from the ZERO range. It is about 16degrees right now, but with the wind chill it is around 2degrees. There was a city to my neighbor to the north in Minnesota that had -54degrees yesterday, and that was not with the wind chill.....wow

I grew up in Iowa, so I guess I'm just used to it....

Randy

Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 03:35 PM
Hi Ford (sounds like I'm talking to myself ).

There are a variety of things that come together here that make winter particularly ugly and you are probably aware of most of them. Sitting 12 miles south of Lake Ontario and just east of Lake Erie is brutal because of the "lake effect. The lakes are warmer than the air, so the moisture is sucked up by the winter breezes. This provides cloud cover for most of the winter and also dumps ungodly amounts of snow on us. If you combine the dark, the cold, the snow depth and mix in a duration of 5 months it just wears on you. It would be QUITE a bit better if we would see the sun occasionally. If we get 5-6 sunny days between December and April, it's been a spectacular winter. Also - I'm not playing much golf during this torture either.
Posted By: dmn23 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 03:49 PM
I had a girlfriend who went to the University of Rochester, and I was invited to attend her graduation about 13 years ago. It's June, so I fly up from Alabama thinking I'll be just fine with some shorts and light shirts.

Oy vey...

I don't know what I was thinking, and I don't know why Susan didn't warn me. And I don't know how you're dealing with it now. Of course, it was 10 degrees here in Nashville when I got out of bed, but lots of sun and not a snowflake in sight. Have fun up there, Ray!
Posted By: SirQuack Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 03:51 PM
Every year I play in an Ice Golf tournament. There is a lake near Des Moines that they set up 18 holes of golf. You actually use a putter the hole time, pretty fun, but make sure you dress warm.
Posted By: AG08 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 03:58 PM
I saw that -54 degrees reported my the Minneaplois news. I guess they where a few degrees away from breaking a record! I wonder what you do when it's that cold?


Posted By: TKHanson Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 04:03 PM
From Denver:

I suppose that is why so many folk are moving to Denver. We get the snow, believe me we do; however, it usually melts within 2 to 3 days after it has fallen. Also, we get over 300 days of sunlight a year, so our winters are not depressing. Right now we are in a cold spell and it is 20 outside. Not bad. Coldest it was here in Denver was 0 with a -10 wind chill. I still love it that you can shovel your driveway and all the snow will melt before noon the next day.

Trouble is, I’ve got to get the move-ins to move out so our roads will clear up!!!

Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 04:30 PM
I really need to balance this a little. In the summer, it really is beautiful here. Mike, I have to think that June day was an anamoly. For example, I did wake up one May 8th morning to 7" of snow. The winters are annoying here, but it doesn't compare to :

"Donner, Party of 12"
Posted By: bigjohn Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 04:45 PM
In reply to:

In the summer, it really is beautiful here



here in west texas, we get: in this order- 1 month of kinda cold, 1 month of winter, another month of kinda cold, 1 week of spring, 4 months of summer, 1 month of satan kinda hot, another 4 months of summer, 1 week of fall, and then back to kinda cold.. it works for me!!

bigjohn
Posted By: MarkSJohnson Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 04:45 PM
Well, the sense of humor isn't frozen.....
Posted By: spiffnme Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 04:46 PM
Curtis and I played tennis last night. At 8pm it was about 70 degrees.




Posted By: curtis Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 05:04 PM
Now you've done it.....they are going to be mad at us!

I think the four of us played 3 hours of doubles.....that is the most I have played in one outting in over 10 years.....my body/legs are hurting!

The weather was GREAT!
Posted By: Zarak Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 05:06 PM
Ray...I've got the golf solution for you. You've got to get one of those swing machines setup down in the basement. You can load up different courses and virtually play them until it is warm enough to play outside. You could probably even run some speaker wire down there and get some B speakers hooked up the receiver, unless you need complete quiet while playing. I'm just looking for an excuse to get you some more speakers as part of the deal.
Posted By: snippy Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 05:20 PM
I had a BBQ on Saturday, went wine tasting on Sunday, and went to the beach Monday. I am going to school in Flipflops, shorts, and a tshirt today. No Winter woes here.

Hooray for California.
Posted By: dmn23 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 05:51 PM
We're up to a balmy 20 degrees in Nashville now. You and Craig and Curtis can...you can...

Oh, hell. Enjoy your good fortune.
Posted By: tomtuttle Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 06:42 PM
All work and no play makes Ray a dull boy.

Sounds like the Overlook Hotel at Ray3 Manor.

50 degrees and two inches of rain in the Puget Sound region yesterday (and every day until further notice). So, typical winter. I would not be able to handle that obscene cold some of you folks get. Engine block heaters, snow blowers, etc. There are places on this earth that are unsuitable for human habitation.

I periodically point out to my parents (whose Volga-German immigrant ancestors settled in Kansas 120 years ago) that, coming from Siberia, they didn't stop in the new world until they found someplace that seemed just as horrific as the one they left. I think the same principle applies to the Scandinavians that landed in Minnesota.

I know cheap land had more to do with it, really, but still...
Posted By: Ajax Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 06:46 PM
You bet your tennis racket we're gonna be mad at you! All three of you California beach bums are summarily banned from any "Winter Sucks" threads from this point forward. (MAN! Just get going commiserating with my fellow ice cubes and THEY gotta show up with their "shorts and flip flops," and "playing tennis." Mumble grumble, dirty Rackin'' frackin'')

It was 3 degrees here in Cleveland when I woke up this morning. It's all the way up to 15 degrees now. WOO WOO! The only good thing is the sun is shining brightly. We've got 4 to 6 inches of snow on the ground. Since Dec 10th, we've only had about 5 or 6 days when we've seen the grass, and I'm fast approaching the "I'm going bonkers" stage of cabin fever. And, there's 3 more months to go. AAARRRRGGGHHH!
Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 07:26 PM
YEAH, I'm with Jack!!!!! This is for you three California characters:



Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 07:27 PM
Ooops- it's animated!!! So who knew.
Posted By: ringmir Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 07:34 PM
Well, I feel like I should chime in on this cold weather bashing that's going on here.

I, for whatever unknown reason, really don't mind the cold. In fact, I'm glad that for several months out of the year we have it. Seasons are nice. I like spring and fall, but both are short lived. Summer and winter both are nice at first, and then get old after a while. I mean, without winter and snow, how can one go snowboarding? And in the winter you can just put on more clothes to be warm. Really, even in sub-zero weather, if you have the right layers you can be perfectly comfortable for extended periods outside. In the summer, when the temperature is 98, you can only take off so much without breaking the law. (And even buck naked, it's still too hot sometimes.)

So...Here in Boston it's 11 (-7 with wind chill) right now, and I don't think it's too terrible.
Posted By: spiffnme Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 08:19 PM
In reply to:

I mean, without winter and snow, how can one go snowboarding?



A two hour drive to Big Bear.


Posted By: dmn23 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 08:29 PM
Weren't you banned from this thread???
Posted By: Ajax Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 09:06 PM
YEAH!
Posted By: curtis Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 09:10 PM
81F degrees here in Manhattan Beach at the moment.


Posted By: WhatFurrer Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 09:28 PM
Curtis,

Cut that out or we'll be forced to ban you from the State of Texas...plus NO SALT LICK FOR YOU!

WhatFurrer
Posted By: spiffnme Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 09:31 PM
I just got back from lunch. Dang...it was bordering on uncomfortably warm. 87 degrees. I had to put the AC on in my car.


Posted By: tomtuttle Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 09:31 PM
Guys, we're going about this all wrong.

Instead of being bitter about how much better the Californians have it, we should be holding them accountable for helping us attain the same level of success. You know, "a rising tide lifts all boats". We just have to negotiate a better Environmental Conditions clause in each of our satellite locations.

Whazzat? You can't negotiate better weather?

Well, if I can't change it, I'll have to change the way I think about it.
Posted By: curtis Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 09:43 PM
In reply to:

Cut that out or we'll be forced to ban you from the State of Texas...plus NO SALT LICK FOR YOU!



I just need to go once a year.

In reply to:

I just got back from lunch. Dang...it was bordering on uncomfortably warm. 87 degrees. I had to put the AC on in my car.



I think it is nicer in Manhattan Beach than the westside right now.

Posted By: spiffnme Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 09:45 PM
yeah...you get the nice cooling effect of the Ocean being so close.

hehehehe..."nice cooling effect" hehehehhe...It's January 18th.


Posted By: Engine_Joe Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 09:50 PM
And here I was about to complain about the cold in NYC today... I forgot what it gets to be like in the midwest (grew up in Chicago)! I'll take my high of 19 and be happy with it!
Posted By: AshBoomstick Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 09:57 PM
as much as i friggin hate cold weather, i wish it would just be consistent here! it was 70F on Friday then 20F on Sunday, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!? which reminds me, should we petition Axiom to make an outdoor speaker for the nice days grilling on the back porch? whaddya think?
Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 10:04 PM
tom, I appreciate your esoteric approach (make the boats rise) or what ever that is, but I believe a more basic approach is required. Someone needs to go out there and throttle those guys. To do that we'll need expense money, enough to cover plane fare and hotel/food. It could take weeks to track them down, so we'll need LOTS of money. Each of you send me $1,000 and I'll volunteer to go out there and deal with this - for all of us. Yeah, THAT'S the plan. I'll be looking in my mail box for the money. And - I'll take pictures when I get there.
Posted By: James_T Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 10:17 PM
I would not worry to much about it guys. What you should be doing is buying land in Arizona and sit on it until SoCal breaks off and either sinks or becomes an island. That way you end up with Arizona Bay beach front property!
Posted By: snakeyes Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 10:29 PM
Ringmir you forgot to add without winter & snow how would the Pats keep beating the Colts in the playoffs. Do they have a deal with God for bad weather when they play.lol
Posted By: Ken.C Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 10:35 PM
Well, y'all can take comfort in the fact that all of California is not like Southern California (thank god...). It's a very chilly 60 degrees here in SF!

<ducks>
Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 10:39 PM
If I add the highs for the last 5 days up here I can't get to 60 degrees. Sigh.
Posted By: ringmir Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/18/05 11:55 PM
Snakeyes, I did indeed forget that, but as I said in another thread, I'm a Philly boy. Go Eagles!

Boston has been quite a ride (sports wise) since I moved up here though
Posted By: snakeyes Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 12:25 AM
Eagles huh? well they are getting my vote by default at this point. got to stick with nfc east at least
Posted By: Zarak Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 12:46 AM
This is finally the Eagles year. They've got the type of defense that can shut down Vick, and without him, what's Atlanta really have? If you think they still have a lot without him, just check out their record from last season when he was hurt.

See you in Jacksonville!
Posted By: snakeyes Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 12:52 AM
They have a pretty good defense.
Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 01:04 AM
Does NO ONE remember that the Steelers beat BOTH the Eagles and Patriots this year and they were BOTH undefeated at the time? Beat them quite handily too, I might add.
Posted By: player8 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 01:08 AM
While I hope Pitt beats the hell out of New England (gawd I hate the Pats) I think it will be somewhat difficult. The Pats are too good of a team to allow Ben to make the same mistakes he made against the Jets. As are the Eagles. I think Ben's inexperience will cost the Steelers the Superbowl. But make no mistake about it, I'm rooting for the Steelers.
Posted By: tomtuttle Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 01:31 AM
Now, you guys have gone and morphed our meaningful discussion of the weather into a football thread. Try to focus, willya?

I'm rooting for the Steelers over the Iggles in the Pennsylvania Bowl.
Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 01:35 AM
It is always a pleasure to bask in the aura of two expert football people, such as yourselves. Even if you don't like football, you should be able to appreciate the ethnocentrism. Boy, I never thought I'd use that in a sentence.
Posted By: bigjohn Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 04:14 AM
Ethnocentrism

OK, i thought thats what you said.....

bigjohn
Posted By: spiffnme Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 07:18 AM
Well boys...goin' to bed now. Gotta open the windows though...it's 77 degress in the bedroom.

g'nite! hehehehehehehe <evil grin>


Posted By: curtis Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 08:11 AM
a bit cooler here at 71 degrees in my house.....it is 64 outside right now....just a little after midnight and enjoying some audio. bwahahaha
Posted By: Ajax Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 11:58 AM
I would think opening the windows in L.A. would be quite dangerous. All that orange air can leave stains. I've lived in L.A.
Posted By: spiffnme Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 05:19 PM
When did you live in LA? The air quality here is far from terrific, but it's certainly better than it used to be. It also depends greatly on where in LA you are. Riverside and the Valley get bad. The westside is generally pretty good.




Posted By: Zarak Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 05:35 PM
Those games were months ago Ray. The Pats had a long win streak going that had to end eventually, and the Eagles run defense then was no where near what it is now. As for more recent play (see last week) the Pats and Eagles are both looking pretty good right now, while the Stillers are lucky to still be playing. Is the Jet's kicker on their payroll, by any chance?
Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 05:37 PM
Whatever way it turns out, there is still some good football left for the season. Wonder if the Jets kicker is on the roster next year?
Posted By: BigWill Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 05:41 PM
This time of year the air quality is usually very good all across soCal. In the summer, when cool temperatures at the higher elevations trap smog against the mountains (called an "inversion layer" here), the smog can be pretty bad. But it's beautiful now. 80* the past couple days, the mountains all covered in snow, clear blue skies. Very nice.

BTW, spiff, poor air quality in the inland areas is due to all the pollution you coastal people create. We breathe your emissions. Of course, the flip side is all of our treated sewage is released into rivers that fill your aquifers.


Posted By: Riffman Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 05:50 PM
btw, the air quality in Pittsburgh is, I think, top five worst in the country even though we've de-industrialized.

I will be at the Steelers/Pats game and given that I will be outside for 10+ hours sub 20 weather, my layers of clothing will include:

1. long underwear, top and bottom
2. wicking sock liner
3. wool socks
4. jeans
5. fleece pants over jeans
6. wicking jogging top under long underwear
7. turtleneck (steelers of course)
8. fleece jacket
9. heavy jacket
10. gloves
11. fleece hat
12. those little feet warmer packets
13. one terrible towel
14. another terrible towel

I believe I have planned appropriately. I'm overdressing because I know alcohol cools body temperature. ;-)
Posted By: bigjohn Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 06:08 PM
you forgot the Koozie, for your beer.. i would hate for it to freeze in your hand!!

BTW- how did you score tix to that game? you must know someone who knows someone... when the cowboys were making their playoff runs in the early/mid 90's, it was all but impossible to get tix. i mean, people were trading their kids on the black-market for tix.. JK..

bigjohn
Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 06:19 PM
I am about to provide some very important input to Riffman here. Please refrain from laughing as this may seem like something along the lines of crawling around on the floor to determine the spot for the best sub placement. It sounds odd, but absolutely works.

Having grown up in Pittsburgh and having spent more than a fair amount of time watching Steelers football in Three Rivers (now the Bills in Buffalo occasionally) during th ewinter, I cam e across the absolute BEST cold weather solution ever manifested by mankind. Those of you who have sat in cold football stadiums have lost feeling in your feet within 1-2 minutes of sitting down. Doesn't matter how many pairs of socks you have on - your puppies are gonna freeze. And you are miserable for the rest of the game. I no longer have that problem. I have a simple two word solution for keeping your feet warm - PAPER BAGS. Laugh if you will, but putting your feet in those grocery-sized paper bags keeps them warm. Period. If you have season tickets, after you do this once, the progression will go like this the first time you do this. Odd looks, snickers, a few remarks, a couple of interested questions. People listen. Next game, a few experiment. By the end of the season, there is an army of (really warm) paper-bagged feet sitting around you in the stadium. If the weather looks to be foul/snowy/wet, I learned to take an extra pair of bags in case the originals disintegrate in the first half. Also, a roll of masking tape is required so you can fold the top of the bag over and tape it down. This just works.

Let the heckling begin here.

By the way - I had a similar 'get dressed" list. Paper Bags was listed as #1. Younse can get them, in quantity, at any Jint Iggle. Go Stilers.
Posted By: bigjohn Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 06:24 PM
arent the paper bags supposed to go over your heads?



heckling begun...

now, do you mean just put the papaer sack over the outside of your already bundled up feet? over the boots and all?just wanna make sure..

bigjohn
Posted By: snakeyes Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 06:26 PM
you forgot the really big shoe horn to pry your a$$ into the seat.
Posted By: bray Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 06:26 PM
I believe him.
Old people just know these kind of things.
Posted By: MarkSJohnson Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 06:26 PM
giggle. giggle.
Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 06:54 PM
Thanks for the vote of confidence bray - you young whippersnapper!

For those who are truly interested in warm feet (and to answer your question John), you sit down, open the bags and put your feet, shoe/boot and all into the bag. Fold it over, tape it and begin quaffing your favorite adult beverage. It just works.
Posted By: bigjohn Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 07:16 PM
well ray, if it ever gets cold enough around here, i will try it. football is over, and the only other time i am out in the elements for extended amounts of time is when hunting. but, i dont imagine the noisy bags would do me much good up in the deer blinds.. although, i reckon the deer would appreciate it.

next time i get groceries, when asked, "paper or plastic", i will choose paper... just in case..

bigjohn
Posted By: Riffman Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 07:23 PM
I'd like to know who thought of this paper bag thing and how did it initially happen. Someone had stinky feet and someone suggested to put a bag over them? haha

BigJohn, my friend has season tickets. He and his wife usually go but she will be out of town! Call it darn good luck!

My other friend has four tickets and even though I begged him for two for some people I know, he sold those two on ebay for $750 just yesterday. Could have waited and got more I suppose.

Don't worry Ray we'll be drinking Iron. Some crazies were talking about a keg of Labatt's or something but wiser heads prevailed. I don't know if you listen to any radio down here but the Steelers songs are out of control!
Posted By: bray Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 07:29 PM
"I'd like to know who thought of this paper bag thing and how did it initially happen. Someone had stinky feet and someone suggested to put a bag over them? haha "


I think Ray got FIRST HAND information from George Washington after Valley Forge.


Posted By: Ajax Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 08:21 PM
In reply to:

When did you live in LA (Seal Beach)? The air quality here is far from terrific, but it's certainly better than it used to be. It also depends greatly on where in LA you are. Riverside and the Valley get bad. The westside is generally pretty good.


OK! Ya caught me. But, it was only a few years ago that I lived in L.A. (Seal Beach). We played a lot at a club in Santa Monica called The Attica. Long gone by now I'm sure. It was 1971, actually.

We all know the effect that cold weather can have on the bladder. I now have this humorous image of Ray, bundled up like the Michelin tire guy, toddling off to the head in his size 12 paper bags. Too funny!
Posted By: curtis Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 08:30 PM
1971??? spiff was not even born!!!!!
Posted By: Ajax Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 08:34 PM
I KNEW there was a reason it was a good year.
Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 08:34 PM
bray, if you don't behave yourself, I will NOT tell you what happened the day they invented dirt. Not that I was actually there mind you. Jack WAS there and he told me about it.
Posted By: bray Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 08:41 PM
Ray
I'm more interested in rocks, and Jack told me to ask you.
Posted By: MarkSJohnson Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 09:25 PM
Getting back to the paper bags:
Are you really sure that your feet were warmer with the bags? Maybe you just thought the bags looked warm before you even tried them. Were you blindfolded? Did another person, also blindfolded, swap out the bag with a wooden box or a canvas sack?

Was the bag brand-new, broken-in or out of phase? Were your feet sitting in the "sweet spot" within the bag? Did different brands of bag feel different or warm you in a special way? (Don't go there, Mark...... Trying ...to...resist....)
Posted By: Ken.C Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 09:48 PM
In all seriousness, what it probably comes down to is a larger insulating layer of air. Those paper bags seem to be pretty good insulators, at least judging by the fact that my milk's still cold after coming home from the store.
Posted By: SirQuack Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 09:49 PM
Are you sure that is milk in that brown paper bag, or a 40.
Posted By: Ned Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 09:56 PM
...phase ....sweet ...spot .....brands... They say it is good to laugh and is necessary for good health...well, Mark is keeping me healthy...Thank You
Posted By: Ajax Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 10:15 PM
I don't think the paper bags would help in this stuff. This is what my humble abode looked like 12/27/04. And yes, I personally created the piles of snow along the left side of the driveway. Oh my achin' back! The right side of the driveway belongs to my neighbor in the second townhouse.


Posted By: SirQuack Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 10:22 PM
I've got a John Deere snow blower I'll sell ya, you'd have to come get it We just built a house a few years ago on 2.5 acres, and my drive is 150ft long and gravel. I just bought a blade from http://www.mysnowsport.com for my Silverado, it is the slickest thing I've ever bought, next to my Axiom's, and does not require hydraulics or electrical to work.


Posted By: bigjohn Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 10:30 PM
ya'll, i would post a pic of my house.. but you would just get mad.. the live oak still has green leaves, the grass is still green, and the rose bushes actually had a fall bloom about 3 weeks ago.

dont hate me cause i live in texas...

bigjohn
Posted By: curtis Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 10:32 PM
I don't.....
Posted By: SirQuack Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 10:36 PM
That pic of my house was taken about 3 years ago. It was in the spring, and we seeded our yard the previous winter. Currently it looks like Iceland with all the snow, you can just imagine.
Posted By: snakeyes Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 10:58 PM
actually iceland is green lol
Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/19/05 11:26 PM
Jack - show me some pictures when you have some REAL snow!
Posted By: Zarak Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/20/05 03:08 AM
We finally got some hear today. Only an inch or two, but it's a start to the winter anyway. We may get a bunch more this weekend, but those weather people still don't seem to be sure how much it is going to dump on us.
Posted By: sidvicious02 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/20/05 02:28 PM
the weather has been CRRRAAAAZY all across Canada the past two weeks or so. We went from -54 Celcius to +2 Celcius in a matter of 2 days. Thankfully the +2 came with freezing rain so now that it's cooled off to a more normal -20 Celcius, everything is like a skating rink. I'm still waiting for the live view of a good fender-bender outside the office window, maybe now!
Posted By: AshBoomstick Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/20/05 04:40 PM
yeah, we got our first snow of the season yesterday too. wasn't a whole lot but some people seem to take it worse than others...
Posted By: tomtuttle Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/20/05 04:56 PM
In reply to:

a more normal -20 Celcius




"Hi, my name is Scott and I'm a coldoholic"

Normal?!? For God's sake man, save yourself!

Just kidding. I am constantly inspired by the diversity of our world and its people.
Posted By: sidvicious02 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/20/05 05:42 PM
Tom,
a few of us from work were laughing about that the other day, how a week of -50 C makes even -30 C seem like a heat wave. Some days it just makes you ask, "what in god's name am I doing here?!?" Of course, if I were to move someplace warmer, their certain lack of hockey & curling would be infinitely more depressing!
Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/20/05 09:50 PM
Hmmmm - be warm and give up hockey & curling or freeze my butt off so I can keep hockey & curling.

What to do?, what to do?, what to do?

Posted By: littleb Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 01:08 AM
I just blow out 4 inches. More is on the way, combined with a blizzard which will last through the night. That means I will be blowing another foot in the morning. I know Peter and Ray will have something to say about my use of the b-word. And I promised I would never use it again. DARN!
Posted By: pmbuko Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 01:40 AM
When blowing becomes a chore, you know something's not right.
Posted By: bridgman Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 02:29 AM
I was about to post "hey, it was -29C this morning" but somehow that doesn't seem so cold after reading the rest of this thread. Oh well...
Posted By: SirQuack Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 02:05 PM
Getting a big ole Canadian clipper in Iowa today. Most of northern Iowa is under a blizzard warning. Where I'm at in Des Moines in Central Iowa, we have 2 degrees with 60 mph winds which computes to -28 with the wind chill. In addition, with all the ice rain we got last night, our interstates and highways are like playing ice hockey, just dodge the semis.


Posted By: Ajax Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 02:19 PM
Yeah. Gettin' hammered here in Cleveland, too. Seems to be a pretty big storm. We're expecting 5 to 9 inches by this evening with another 1 to 4, lake effect, overnight. Whopee!
Posted By: JSkip Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 02:52 PM
Just starting snowing in NJ @ 9:45 AM. I hate winter!!!!
Posted By: MarkSJohnson Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 03:08 PM
I've been trying to unfreeze some pipes for the last two hours. I haven't said a word on this thread yet, because the averaged -17 degrees we've hit overnights don't seem like an issue at all considering what some of you are dealing with!
Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 03:51 PM
It just started snowing here. By tomorrow morning, we might see 18". I may commit suicide. Oh wait - I live in Rochester, suicide is redundant.
Posted By: JSkip Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 03:59 PM
So this equates to a typical winter day in Rochester?
Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 04:10 PM
Not typical, really. We average about 100" of snow per year. We usually get a few days of sub-zero temps. A typical winter day (DEC, JAN, FEB) is around 20-25 degrees, almost always cloudy and most days, some snow falls (flurries to an inch or two). We get really hammered 4-5 times per year by snow. The real issue is the length of the winter Starts about Nov 1st and hangs on til the end of March. 4-6 weeks too long. I like seasonal chnages, but it seems like out seasons here are June, July , August and winter.
Posted By: Engine_Joe Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 04:35 PM
Our first big blizzard of the season is coming today in NYC; plus the temp is supposed to drop into negative territory, not counting windchill from the supposedly gusty 50 mph winds. This wouldn't bother me but for the fact we're hosting a party tonight... and I'm beginning to wonder if anyone will come. I wouldn't blame anyone if they didn't!
Posted By: bridgman Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 05:37 PM
>>I've been trying to unfreeze some pipes for the last two hours. I haven't said a word on this thread yet, because the averaged -17 degrees we've hit overnights don't seem like an issue at all considering what some of you are dealing with!

I wouldn't wish frozen pipes on anyone. Would rather live with the frozen fingers and feet I have now.

Good luck with the pipes. Remember, the best way to avoid frozen pipes is to stop fixing those tap washers when they leak. "Drip, drip, drip" keeps the pipes thawed
Posted By: Zarak Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 05:49 PM
Yup, first big one here started a couple of hours ago. We are expecting 12-18". They claim there will be near white out conditions sometime between 3-8PM. I have never seen a white out in this area (or at all for that matter) so I'll believe that one when I see it.
Posted By: littleb Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 10:36 PM
We had about 6 inches of snow yesterday along with 40 mph winds, resulting in something the weatherman calls a winter storm warning. What a crock. To me this means snowfall. Last night we experienced an old fashioned blizzard. Every highway in the county was closed by the authorities.
Posted By: littleb Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 10:39 PM
Cheer up, Ray. You could live in Minnesota. I thinking a box cutter could do the job.LOL
Posted By: 2x6spds Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 10:40 PM
Drove to meet with some friends today. Took the convertible (top down of course) even though it was a bit foggy (marine layer). A few miles inland and the sky is blue but it is definitely chilly - mid 60's. Bbbrrrrrr.
Posted By: JSkip Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 10:55 PM
Got about 5-6 inches so far. Maybe I should have bought a snowblower first, then the sub!
Posted By: Ken.C Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 10:59 PM
Just turn up the sub really loud...
Posted By: Ray3 Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/22/05 11:17 PM
I have just made an unfortunate observation My dog Molly is 13" tall at the shouder. The snow in the backyard (her personal bathroom) is now 11" inches deep. While she can see over the top of the snow, her business end is experiencing some serious "wake up" when she goes out.

I will not be shoveling the driveway (happiness is a son-in-law with a plow on his truck ), but I am going into the backyard so Molly has a fighting chance to relieve herself. Damn - now I'm a Doggy Latrine Specialist.
Posted By: curtis Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/23/05 01:46 AM
I am grilling hamburgers outside for my kids right now.
Posted By: pmbuko Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/23/05 02:33 AM
I went for a hike by the SF Bay today. Sunny, mid-60s. No jackets required.
Posted By: bigjohn Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/23/05 03:33 AM
man, i been watching this storm on the weather channel. you guys up north are getting blasted.. i cant believe some of the live shots they have been showing.. near white out conditions. that is just beyond belief. bundle up and be safe.

and i just saw an update from philly.. the eagles stadium is dang near over-run with snow. the roads are blocked, the field, and the seats are completely under the snow.. i think i will just enjoy the game from my couch.. i got some respect for the fans that make it through that game.!!

bigjohn
Posted By: ringmir Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/23/05 03:37 AM
Reporting from Boston...so far about 6 inches where I am, and we haven't entered the timeframe that weather.com is reporting "blizzard" quite yet. Kinda chilly outside..something like 6 F I think. My street is a real mess right now, no plows have been through.
Posted By: Ajax Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/23/05 04:38 AM
Reporting from Cleveland. I don't think we got as much snow as they were predicting. It's difficult to tell because we had a varying amount on the ground before this storm started, and the wind is blowing pretty strong causing drifting and even more diverse depths.

I just went out and shoveled my drive and walk. Up by my porch, which is slightly sheltered from the wind, it was only about 4 inches deep. Where my walk meets the sidewalk, where the wind has been piling it up, it was about 14 inches deep. Fortunately, since it's so cold, it's a dry light snow and not difficult to shovel. Except, of course, where the city has come along plowing the road, creating a 3 foot deep pile of icy, hard snow at the end of my driveway. Thank you very much.

Though we are still under a storm warning until 4 AM, it's tapering off a bit.
Posted By: bridgman Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/23/05 05:35 AM
I drive a lifted Jeep so I don't have to shovel the driveway but I'm out pretty much every day shovelling the back yard so the dogs can get out.

Be thankful you have a female dog. I have two males, so I have to go out and stand something up in the snow for them to use as a target. I think a male dog would burst before doing their business on an endless flat surface.
Posted By: Zarak Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/23/05 12:36 PM
It's still coming down in Philly, but don't worry, the fans will be at the game. They've had crews working all night to clear stuff out, and they are opening things up extra early to give the fans plenty of time to get down and into the stadium. I would like to have tickets, but considering the weather I think I am just as happy to watch from home. It is supposed to be in the teens at kickoff with a wind chill below 0 F.
Posted By: pmbuko Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/23/05 05:27 PM
now them's some spoiled pooches!
Posted By: bridgman Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/23/05 06:49 PM
I don't know... I don't think they look spoiled. Do they look spoiled to you ?


Posted By: pmbuko Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/23/05 06:51 PM
You don't put little booties on them when they go out in the snow, do you?
Posted By: bridgman Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/23/05 07:15 PM
I probably would if I could find some that fit and work well. They're fine in the deep snow (except for getting lost in the drifts) but their pads freeze up quickly on plowed/iced/salted roads and sidewalks so walking them in the winter is a problem. This winter has been unusually cold so most of their exercise has been "fetching" in the rec room which is fine for them but isn't doing much for my waistline.

There are some great boots made for police K9s which go on easily, let the dogs run, and protect their paws from just about anything. Apparently there aren't a lot of 20 pound police dogs in SWAT teams though, having a bit of trouble finding boots in the right size.

Pet shop booties don't even seem worth trying.

EDIT -- just realized you meant "in the back yard". Nope, it's amazing how fast they can get out and back when the weather is bad.
Posted By: MarkSJohnson Greetings from New Hampshire! - 01/23/05 09:14 PM



Posted By: 2x6spds Re: OT - Winter Woes - 01/23/05 09:18 PM
Oh my gosh!

Werewooofffs


Posted By: Ajax Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 01/23/05 09:33 PM
Thank you, Mark. I'm no longer feeling sorry for myself.


Posted By: ringmir Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 01/23/05 11:24 PM
That's what it was looking like here in Boston Mark. Snow drifted almost halfway up the front door is what greeted me this morning. I could see the side view mirror of my car sticking out of what was otherwise a bump of snow. On the sidewalk, the snow was 23" this morning, I got out my tape measure. There was one drift out back that was well over my head, I jumped out of my 2nd floor bedroom window into it, which was kinda fun...
Posted By: bigjohn Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 01/24/05 02:09 PM
In reply to:

I jumped out of my 2nd floor bedroom window into it, which was kinda fun



man, i wish i could have been there for that. every channel i turned to this morning was talking about the snow storm that pounded the north. all the way from chicago to cape cod. hope things can get back to normal for you guys. i even heard they cancelled school in boston..

my expected forecast today. partly cloudy, high of 68F.

bigjohn
Posted By: LT61 Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 01/24/05 02:17 PM
32 here this morning......that must seem like a heat wave to some.

LT
Posted By: Ray3 Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 01/24/05 02:39 PM
Well, I measured a depth of 22" on the deck in the backyard. Looks like it might be over. Forecast calls for an inch or two each day for the next few days.
Posted By: Ajax Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 01/24/05 03:22 PM
That "inch or two each day for the next few days" must be lake effect, because we're pretty much out of the woods today (he says hopefully). Still colder than a well digger's knee, though. 10F degrees, at the moment. And if you wish to believe that "F" stands for Fahrenheit, I'll not say anything to dissuade you.
Posted By: Zarak Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 01/24/05 08:51 PM
I thought it was over, but I looked out the windows 20 minutes ago and it is snowing again. I'll take it though. I like the snow. One of the reasons why I wouldn't want to live in some of those warmer weather climates. The change of seasons and the snow are preferable to me. If I want the warm weather during the winter, I can just go on vacation somewhere warm. I guess you warm weather people can go somewhere cold and ski, but it's not the same.
Posted By: snakeyes Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 01/26/05 02:02 PM
More snow in NY this am guess i better get shoveling.
i was looking for an animated shoveling emoticon but could not find. i did however find this cool starwars one.
Posted By: bigjohn Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 02/01/05 07:15 PM
believe it or not fellas, we are supposed to get 2-4 inches of snow this afternoon and thru the night!! and there is a slight drizzle and sleet falling right now. the paper said it will be the first measurable snow in san angelo since new years day of 2002. my son is so excited, so hopefully he will wake up to a white morning.

i reckon he better enjoy it while he can, cause the high is supposed to be back in the 40's tomorrow. it will be melted by noon, if it even does it at all.

bigjohn
Posted By: pmbuko Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 02/01/05 07:18 PM
Here in Scottsdale, Arizona -- I'm attending a computer security conference here -- it's a mild 68 degrees, but it feels much hotter in the sun. Just had lunch outside. I think I might have even gotten a tan!
Posted By: bigjohn Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 02/01/05 07:21 PM
good lord man.. are you ever home? you definitely get the prize for most traveled.

bigjohn
Posted By: littleb Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 02/01/05 10:04 PM
Can you believe that it is actually 3 degrees above freezing, today, in Minnesota. The snow is trying to melt.
Posted By: spiffnme Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 02/02/05 12:47 AM
It's STILL winter for you guys? Geesh, how long does it last? hehehehehehehehe...

70's and sunny again today. Had a BLAST playing tennis last night.

Sorry...I hadn't rubbed it in for awhile.


Posted By: littleb Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 02/02/05 01:02 AM
You have no idea. Winter in these parts is 5 month marathon of hell.LOL
Posted By: lomb7 Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 02/02/05 01:10 AM
I have to say that it makes me feel really bad for those of you suffering in the snow. Here in San Diego, in the 70's.

Snow...what's that?
Posted By: spiffnme Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 02/02/05 01:21 AM
Ah...but I do know. I'm originally from Maine.

I'm just getting a kick out of rubbing it in that I got out of that crap weather!


Posted By: littleb Re: Greetings from New Hampshire! - 02/02/05 12:23 PM
I know of no other 4-letter word that sums up the weather in Minnesota. HEE, HEE, HAA, HAA, HOO, HOO. You see, I have lost my mind.
Posted By: snakeyes Winters still hear bump - 03/01/05 03:15 PM
Just got hit with about a foot or so. i thought spring was coming.
Posted By: bigjohn Re: Winters still hear bump - 03/01/05 04:14 PM
i saw that on the news this morning.. i think they called it a 'nor-eastern'? they said it was something with the air flow and upper atmosphere pressure.? the people on the weather channel seemed fairly excited about it.

we just got done with the rodeo here. it always rains during rodeo, you can set your watch by it.. and this year was no exception. we got just under two inches total rain over the last 2 weeks, and looks like the skies are starting to clear up. highs all week in the mid to upper 60F's, and lows in the mid to upper 40's. just waiting for the lakes to warm up a bit. needs to get up in the 80's for two solid weeks before you can really tell a difference in the lake temps. last week i checked, and the lake was 52F. needs to get up to the 60's before i will get in.
Posted By: richeydog Re: Winters still hear bump - 03/01/05 09:51 PM
A mid 60 degree lake temperature still isn't warm enough to combat the shrinkage factor.
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