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#101382 - 07/05/05 08:46 PM Re: Honey, I need a little space
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My 80s are about 9 inches from the wall toed in and 15 feet apart. 2 foot from closest corner. 13.5 x 28 x 8 room with speakers on the long wall. No placement problems. Great sound, highs to lows.

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#101383 - 07/05/05 09:21 PM Re: Honey, I need a little space
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I forgot to mention I have mine 8 ft. apart.
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#101384 - 07/05/05 10:07 PM Re: Honey, I need a little space
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Registered: 05/31/05
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Loc: Atlanta
wid and Doug
Thanks for posting. It's looking like I can get away with the 60 or the 80. Alan recommends the 80's because of the 2 story ceiling height. I have been taking some measurements and it looks like they will be 9 or 10 feet apart without getting too close to the corners. Also 10 feet out to the listening area will work with room asthetics. Looks like I'll have to save a while longer to get my speakers. Maybe the speaker showdown will happen by then. I don't want to wait till November but if I have to it will make a nice birthday present.
Thanks again
oz
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#101385 - 07/05/05 11:29 PM Re: Honey, I need a little space
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#101386 - 07/06/05 08:00 AM Re: Honey, I need a little space
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Registered: 05/31/05
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Loc: Atlanta
Doug

Thanks for the link to your show down. Very good information. I had run across that in my searches. As a matter of fact that is one of the posts that made me think they would be the right speaker for a music only system like I'm planning.
later,
oz
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#101387 - 07/06/05 08:07 AM Re: Honey, I need a little space
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Registered: 08/25/04
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Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
One thing worth mentioning... when people complain about the M80s being difficult to place, the main issue is that if you have them too close to the wall you can get too much bass because of the wall reinforcement.

If you are looking for bass then I don't think you are going to have a problem. With my M40s and M60s I find that moving them towards and away from the wall almost act like a bass control -- 8" away from the wall gives more bass than I like, 24" away from the wall gives less bass than I like, and somewhere in between is "just right". Then again, I'm one of those people who gets bugged by having too much bass. Other people -- same speakers, same room -- would push them in so they are 6" from the wall and say "well, the bass is still kinda weak but... ".

Then again, these are the same people whose car stereos announce their arrival from a block away

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#101388 - 07/06/05 08:36 AM Re: Honey, I need a little space
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John

Good point. I noticed that when I borrowd my friends Vienna Acoustic Bach's. This is a small two way floorstanding speaker. When I first set them up I had them to far away from the rear wall. So I pushed them in to about 8 inches from the wall and all of a sudden they came to life. It was not a bad little speaker. Pricey for what you get and they still could use a sub to support the bottom end. Pretty cabinets though.
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#101389 - 07/06/05 10:03 AM Re: Honey, I need a little space
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Registered: 01/29/02
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Bridgman, Oz,

Nice explanation--"almost like a bass control". Exactly, and the distances away from the wall that you cite parallel my own experience with the M80s.

Oz: When I say that the difference in deep bass extension and output is "immedately audible" on A/B comparisons, it is--but it is not a "dramatic" difference. I just think your big room volume could nicely accommodate the M80ti's output, and that you'd really appreciate the deep bass.

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#101390 - 07/08/05 08:49 AM Re: Honey, I need a little space
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Registered: 04/14/05
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I would have to agree with alan, get the 80's for that room. I have the 80's on a carver power amp, and in a temp room while I'm fighting with plaster/drywall in the media room to be. The temp room is small, only 14 wide my 11 long, but it is open to the kitchen, hall etc. MY 80's are about 10"-12" away from the wall in all directions. The bass amazed me the 1st time I heard them, and I was used to hearing cerwin vega d9's, 350watt and good ole 15"woofers.

Well, the vega's are going up for sale as soon as I can afford another set of 80's or 60's to go in that room because I am not missing anything from them. I have a hsu vtf3 sub, I bought it thinking that the 80's wouldn't have enough bass for music compared to the cv's. Of course, I ordered the sub before I had the 80's. Well, ironically, the 80's showed up at the house first, and while I love the vtf3 for movies, I turn it off most times for music. The 80's are just fine without a sub.

My only compplaint about them, and it isn't really even a compliant, is that you need to get a good 4 ohm amp to drive them. MY cv's were 4 ohm as well, so I'm used to it, but nowadays, good cheap and new 4 ohm amps aren't everywhere.

I'll add this as well. Get the 80's as far apart as you can. The imaging really opens up.


btw, nice car





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#101391 - 07/08/05 10:06 AM Re: Honey, I need a little space
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Registered: 01/24/05
Posts: 2034
Loc: Fla. Orig. Mich.
This brings up an interesting question:

When talking about distances to a wall changing the bass; is it a Mountain and Muhammad sort of thing?

I mean, is it conceivable to make a movable but large and inert baffle to place behind the speaker to simulate the proper distance to a wall?

My speakers are pretty well "locked" in position about 26" from the wall and(horrors)inside of cabinets!! But if I can fool the speakers into thinking they were closer.....



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