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#111914 - 10/02/05 11:32 PM M60 is a major improvement on M22?
Zer0beaT Offline
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Registered: 07/30/05
Posts: 6
Loc: Oshawa
Hey.

Christmas is coming and I was thinking of getting a pair of M60ti's and putting the M22's I currently have up front in the surround postion. Right now my setup is a VP100 center, M22's as mains, and my old (real old!) Dynaco A20 (A25? forget the name of them) in L/R surround (just a temporary solution for 5.1 until I decide where I'm going with the Axioms). Receiver is a Yamaha RXV757 no external amp, room is pretty small at 14'w x 15'depth, ceiling about 8'. Would M60's be overkill in this situation. Are they as easily driven as the M22's on low gain levels for cd/dvda music etc and home theater? BTW, I'm very happy with the M22's, but if the M60's are like the M22's yet even fuller sounding,well that's kinda why I'm considering them. I love the M22, but if the M60's are like the M22's Dad I would not hesitate. Just wondering if anyone who has gone from M22>M60 as their mains could say about the difference. Worth it? And how do they (the M60) mix with a VP100. Would I be wanting a center channel upgrade aswell if I get the M60's? Or would the VP100 mix well and keep up on low-medium volumes for movies?

Stereo and Multi-channel music takes importance over home theater movies for me BTW. For music, I LOVE the M22's, yet...somehow I just want a bit more fullness,richness and oomph if you know what I mean (and I really just mean a bit). Would the M60's be what I'm looking for? (the M80's are out of the question budget wise)

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#111915 - 10/02/05 11:52 PM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
Ken.C Offline
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I'd probably go with QS4s or 8s over upgrading the M22s, given the choice. The Qs are really nice...


Edited by kcarlile (10/02/05 11:53 PM)
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#111916 - 10/03/05 12:06 AM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
richeydog Offline
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Registered: 05/24/04
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If your more into movies than music the qs8's are the way to go from the info i've read on this forum.

Since you state that stereo and multichannel music is your thing than i would vote to put the m22's in your surround setup and purchase some m60's as your mains. From my experience they really do offer a much fuller sound and can crank out the bass without the need (my opinion) for a sub.

My 2 cents.

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#111917 - 10/03/05 12:20 AM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
bridgman Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
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Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
I went from M2s to M60s and at higher volumes there was a significant difference in "openness", whatever that is. They sounded like big speakers where the M2s sounded like small speakers. Again this was only at higher volumes where the M2s started to hit their SPL limits and started compressing the dynamics. I imagine the M22s would be somewhere in between, ie if you are playing at moderate volumes you probably wouldn't notice much difference (other than the bass) but if you like to (and are able to) turn up the volume some more the M60s really make a difference.

DISCLAIMER -- I have not had a chance to hear M22s so this is just extrapolating from M2s and a vivid imagination

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#111918 - 10/03/05 06:16 AM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
Ajax Offline
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Registered: 12/30/03
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Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
I went from M22s to M60s and was glad I did. In my room (11.5' x 18' x 8'), it made a slight, but very satisfying, improvement in fullness. I cannot say, for a certainty, that it would do the same for you, but I'd be surprised if it didn't.

If multichannel music is indeed important to you, adding the M60s, and moving the 22s to surround duty is an excellent idea. I think the improvement over your Dynaco's would be startling.

If you ever find yourself getting deeper into HT, you could go to 7.1 by adding a pair of QS speakers for surrounds, and shifting your 22s to rear surround duty for HT, while still using them as surrounds in 5.1 multichannel music.

I don't think the 60s would be overkill, and the 60s will blend with your VP100 just fine.


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#111919 - 10/03/05 12:32 PM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
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#111920 - 10/03/05 06:10 PM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
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#111921 - 10/03/05 08:32 PM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
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#111922 - 10/04/05 10:21 AM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
littleb Offline
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Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 1235
Loc: Moorhead, Minnesota/US
Fine, that's all I need to hear!!! The M60s make my M22s sound like do-do. Man, am I ever having a lousy week.!!!

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#111923 - 10/04/05 10:37 AM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
DJ_Stunna Offline
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Registered: 10/09/03
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Loc: Baltimore. MD. USA (but born a...
Like bridgman, I also went from M2i to M60Ti. I can only assume that this is similar to the jump that you get from M22Ti to M60Ti.

Although the M2s had a lot of the good characteristics of the M60s, I just felt that the M60s were significantly better. With the M60s, I didn't need a sub-woofer for 2 channel listening. This made it sound a bit more uniform to me, as I always had some slight dip (about 5 dB C) at the crossover point. The M60s also can take a lot of power. They really handle almost anything you are willing to give them without breaking a sweat. I wouldn't be able to say the same thing for the M2s.

After hearing my M60s, I would definitely NOT want to go back to a sub-woofer / satellite system, even if the satellites are as good as the M22s.
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#111924 - 10/05/05 03:57 AM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
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Registered: 01/23/05
Posts: 94
Loc: Dallas, Texas
In clarity of the sound? not really. The M60s just sounds "bigger" - see how technical I am? Plus the m60s looks better

I was on the same boat. Now My 22s and QS8s serve as surrounds.



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#111925 - 10/05/05 06:56 AM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
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Registered: 05/31/05
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Loc: Atlanta
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That sure is a nice looking setup. What is the size of that room? It must be huge.
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#111926 - 10/05/05 08:33 AM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
dmn23 Offline
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Registered: 02/01/03
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Loc: Nashville, TN
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That sure is a nice looking setup.



No $%#@ kidding!!! So when are you gonna spring for a VP150? Does the VP100 work well in a room that size?
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#111927 - 10/05/05 05:33 PM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
sssutherland Offline
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Registered: 02/19/05
Posts: 243
Loc: Ventura, CA
I went from M22's to M60's and heard a considerable difference in the fullness of the sound. It was an immediate smile and just the sound I was looking for that the 22's didn't provide. I put the 22's to work as surrounds and I love the setup. It is very impressive in both movies and multi channel discs. (Just did a test with the Star Wars episode I pod race scene at 105db, and it was insane. I am very pleased with the setup).

The VP 100 is a great speaker and will sound fine with that setup but if you are like most of us you will also wonder if the 150 would sound better. I upgraded from the 100 to the 150 as my curiousity got the best of me. (Just wanted to have the best one that Axiom offered, besides the fact that the 150 gets more comments as being a cool looking speaker than any of the others due to its size compared with most center channels that people get)
And the 150 was an asthetically more pleasing speaker for me as it is the same width as my TV. Cool!

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#111928 - 10/05/05 10:43 PM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
DallasAxiom Offline
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Registered: 01/23/05
Posts: 94
Loc: Dallas, Texas
The VP100 does OK I suppose, I can hear dialogs just fine. I am looking to upgrade, but not to a 150. I'm going for another M60 for an identical front setup! But no play funds yet

The room is 15 * 19 I think, don't remember exactly. Thanks for the comments...

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#111929 - 10/05/05 10:52 PM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
RickF Offline
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Registered: 02/26/05
Posts: 5210
Loc: Vero Beach, Florida
Dallas, very nice system and a gorgeous home environment. I really do like the overall look, very appealing!

I've also been mulling over whether to use a VP150 or maybe another 80 but I notice that the 60s fit real nice under your screen so acquiring a third for a center with your setup will be an easy deal. I'll have 73" rear projected DLP TV and won't have the room for a stand up 80...will I be stuck with a horizontal type center such as the 150? Looks like it, huh?
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#111930 - 10/05/05 11:20 PM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
DallasAxiom Offline
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Registered: 01/23/05
Posts: 94
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Wow, 73 inch TV! Don't want to be the delivery man for that thing! Who makes 73 inchers anyway? Looks like it's the 150 for you - but it is of course no slouch. Will the top of your TV be thick enough for that huge center speaker? Today's projection TVs are real thin up top.

Yeah front projection allows me to upgrade to the ultimate ideal of identical speakers in front. I need to sell my excess speakers...with another M60, I will have 3 Axioms sitting in the dust! I didn't plan on buying so many...what happened? lol...

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#111931 - 10/06/05 03:32 AM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
SoCal Offline
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Registered: 08/12/05
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I use M22ti's as mains with a VP150. EP350 and QS8's as surrounds. Considering your current setup and use I'd have to say upgrading the surrounds to QS4's or 8's would give you much more WOW and upgrade impact than getting the 60's. If you were a 2 channel nut with a serious hankerin for redbook material then maybe 60's or 80's. I have a huge room and my M22's are perfect. Look here

http://www.axiomaudio.com/images/ee.jpg

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#111932 - 10/06/05 05:20 AM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
RickF Offline
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Registered: 02/26/05
Posts: 5210
Loc: Vero Beach, Florida
Dallas the TV is a Mitsubishi WD-73827, a new model from them. We were considering a smaller TV along with a projector and a pull down screen but the consensus around my household was to opt for the 73" TV. It's not too bad at 188lbs...compare that to some of the larger tube TVs and it's a lightweight!
I'll build a sturdy shelve in such a manner that the front surface of the center will be even with the screen of the TV. I did that for my current VP100 and 37" Plasma and it works great.
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#111933 - 10/06/05 02:48 PM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
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Registered: 12/02/03
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Loc: Round Rock, Texas
DallasAxiom,

I hate to ask, but where is the projector mounted...?

I don't see it in that shot and don't see it on your webpage...

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#111934 - 10/06/05 03:12 PM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
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Registered: 02/16/05
Posts: 325
Loc: Utah
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It's not too bad at 188lbs...compare that to some of the larger tube TVs and it's a lightweight!




No kidding. My 36" direct-view Sony HDtv weighs a whopping 230 lbs. Moving that beast is not fun. Two years ago Sony made a 40" tube HDtv, that monster checked in at 305 lbs. Glad I didn't go that route.

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#111935 - 10/06/05 03:58 PM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
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Registered: 12/02/03
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Loc: Round Rock, Texas
Got the same set...

BigJohn can attest to helping me move that monster into our new place...

The 40" was available at the same time I purchased this one...The wife would not let me buy the 40"...Did not want the TV be the center of attention in the house.

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#111936 - 10/06/05 05:47 PM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
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Your wife must be related to mine. This is why I'm pushing for a house with a basement.
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#111937 - 10/06/05 06:01 PM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
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And mine... Me, I'd rather have a small DLP (how small do those go?) than a large, heavy tube.
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#111938 - 10/07/05 01:40 AM Re: M60 is a major improvement on M22?
DallasAxiom Offline
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Registered: 01/23/05
Posts: 94
Loc: Dallas, Texas
WhatFurrer...it's mounted in the back. I have the very long throw Panny AE-700, designed to be easily shelf mounted.

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