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#145271 - 08/11/06 06:43 PM 2.1 Setup M22 or M50
Nick250 Offline
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I am going to order a pair of one of these two speakers to upgrade my 2.1 system. Currently I have Paradigm Mini Monitors and a Rocket UFW-10 sub. The UFW-10 stays, the Mini Monitors are being retired. The new speakers will used just for music. My goals are a smooth ride from about 50Hz on up with a solid mid bass. Detailed highs are fine, highs that are a bit harsh are not. I have read on this forum that some consider the M50s the more laid back speaker in the lineup, which I think is ok by me. The price difference is not the main thing, the SQ is. When I look at the frequency graph of the two the M50 seems the best of the M22 up to about 100Hz, then is seems pretty equal. That being said, graphs are one thing, what you actually hear is another. Listening levels will not be that loud most of the time.

I guess what I am looking for is something to nudge me one way of the other. Thoughts anyone?

Regards, Nick

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#145272 - 08/11/06 08:29 PM Re: 2.1 Setup M22 or M50 [Re: Nick250]
littleb Offline
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Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 1235
Loc: Moorhead, Minnesota/US
The difference between the two happens with the midrange and the extended bass of the M50s. The M22s have the better mids. I didn't notice any appreciable difference in the higher ranges. M3s are out of the question? I don't want to ruffle any feathers, but I'll go out on a limb and say that the M3/M50 clan might have the better 'smooth ride music only' speaker vs the M22. But, I bet the M60/M80s is probably the best for both worlds.

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#145273 - 08/11/06 08:38 PM Re: 2.1 Setup M22 or M50 [Re: Nick250]
F107plus5 Offline
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Registered: 01/24/05
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Loc: Fla. Orig. Mich.
About the only thing I can think of to reccommend the M50 over the M22 is in the area of presence. The M50 will just sound somewhat "bigger" if the room is large enough to require it. We have a moderatly large listening room and our M50s do a great job of filling every cubic foot of it! Our old M3s were somewhat strained when attempting to obtain the same volume levels that the M50s routinely accomplish.

I'll second Bruce on his M60/M80 recomendation on the best over-all suggestion for predominately music listening.


Edited by F107plus5 (08/11/06 08:44 PM)

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#145274 - 08/11/06 09:42 PM Re: 2.1 Setup M22 or M50 [Re: Nick250]
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Nick, welcome. Since you're going to be using the UFW-10, it 's unclear why you've mentioned 50Hz, since presumably you'll want the sub covering 20-30Hz above that. From the mid-bass up my M22s are superb for reproduction of music and of course your sub handles the low bass.
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#145275 - 08/12/06 12:41 AM Re: 2.1 Setup M22 or M50 [Re: JohnK]
Nick250 Offline
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Nick, welcome. Since you're going to be using the UFW-10, it 's unclear why you've mentioned 50Hz, since presumably you'll want the sub covering 20-30Hz above that. From the mid-bass up my M22s are superb for reproduction of music and of course your sub handles the low bass.




The reason I picked 50Hz is I want a reasonable amount overlap between the UFW-10 and the speakers. An example is that my Paradigm Studio 20s sound much better crossed over at 80Hz than 100Hz in my room. The more overlap, the more choices to get the room acoustics/speaker/sub blend to sound as good as they can. With the example above of the Studio 20s, the improvement SQ with lower crossover is significant.

You mention that the mid base on up is great on the M22. To help me to better understand your post, what frequency range do you consider mid bass?

Regards, Nick


Edited by Nick250 (08/12/06 01:01 AM)

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#145276 - 08/12/06 12:59 AM Re: 2.1 Setup M22 or M50 [Re: littleb]
Nick250 Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
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The difference between the two happens with the midrange and the extended bass of the M50s. The M22s have the better mids. I didn't notice any appreciable difference in the higher ranges. M3s are out of the question? I don't want to ruffle any feathers, but I'll go out on a limb and say that the M3/M50 clan might have the better 'smooth ride music only' speaker vs the M22. But, I bet the M60/M80s is probably the best for both worlds.




Interesting comment on the M3. I did not consider it because it's low on the totem pole an automatic price bias kicked in because the others "had to be better" because they cost more. And speaking of price, there seems to be a joint effort to get me to buy the M60s. No doubt great speakers. Price wise though, the $740 of the M50s is at the top of my budget.

Regards, Nick

Nick

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#145277 - 08/12/06 01:11 AM Re: 2.1 Setup M22 or M50 [Re: Nick250]
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Yes, that's what I was implying: that you'd want a crossover around 80Hz rather than 50Hz. That's a perfect crossover for the M22s. The mid-bass I was referring to is roughly the 60-120Hz octave(in-room the M22s are quite strong at 60Hz).
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#145278 - 08/12/06 10:18 AM Re: 2.1 Setup M22 or M50 [Re: Nick250]
F107plus5 Offline
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Registered: 01/24/05
Posts: 2034
Loc: Fla. Orig. Mich.
One of the things I like about the M3s amd M50s is the ability to go against the flow and do "something completely different"!

I have tried and tried and tried to like the sound of my system(M50 mains and M3 center and surrounds)crossed at 80hz. I always go back to 60. Always!! It just works better in my system in my room with my ears.

The M3s are happy at 60, but the M50s absolutely luv it!

......and ME too!
Rich.


pre edit: I should say that my system is as it is due to historical events. If I were to waltz on into this web-site today, I would probably go with v2 M60s with "traditional" Axiom center and surrounds.

.....all the complaints I had about the M60 a few years ago seem to have evaporated. They seem to sound even more like the "pleasant" M50s now!!

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#145279 - 08/12/06 11:44 AM Re: 2.1 Setup M22 or M50 [Re: JohnK]
Nick250 Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
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Yes, that's what I was implying: that you'd want a crossover around 80Hz rather than 50Hz. That's a perfect crossover for the M22s. The mid-bass I was referring to is roughly the 60-120Hz octave(in-room the M22s are quite strong at 60Hz).




Got it John. Thanks for clarifying.

Nick

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#145280 - 08/12/06 11:52 AM Re: 2.1 Setup M22 or M50 [Re: F107plus5]
Nick250 Offline
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If I were to waltz on into this web-site today, I would probably go with v2 M60s
.....all the complaints I had about the M60 a few years ago seem to have evaporated. They seem to sound even more like the "pleasant" M50s now!!




Complaints about the M60s? I almost missed this comment. Tell me more if you don't mind.

Nick

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