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#234546 - 12/12/08 06:19 PM Re: Is there any copper in those wires? [Re: jakewash]
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#234550 - 12/12/08 06:28 PM Re: Is there any copper in those wires? [Re: St_PatGuy]
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What was that strang buzzing sound I had a second ago through the M80s.......
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#234552 - 12/12/08 06:35 PM Re: Is there any copper in those wires? [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Registered: 08/25/04
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Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
John, are you sure you don't still have mice problems?


I haven't seen mice in the house for quite a while. Maybe they don't like peanut butter any more. I suspect the wire itself is the issue because if I stomp on the floor a few times the wire gradually straightens itself out and creeps from the corners into the middle of the floor.

I am still seeing mice everywhere else though. I was driving into work this morning - cold, windy, maybe 6 inches of snow on the ground, but the roads were bare. Thought I saw something moving on the road ahead; sure enough a mouse was running across the road. I swerved so my tires didn't get him, and when I looked back he had turned around and was running back the way he came, much faster this time.


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#234580 - 12/12/08 09:48 PM Re: Is there any copper in those wires? [Re: Zimm]
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Charles, it would be extremely unlikely that any home environment would have electromagnetic fields strong enough to significantly affect the relatively strong signals that are traveling along a speaker wire into the low impedance of a speaker, so as you note, for all practical purposes speaker wiring can be said to be immune from interference. Shielding therefore isn't required to protect the signals traveling to the speaker.

The signals traveling along an interconnecting cable, by contrast, are about a thousand times weaker than the amplified signals going to the speakers and can be affected by interference in the home. So, coaxial cable which has an outer shield to contain the signals and protect them from outside fields is typically used and is generally satisfactory. Some professional applications where especially high interference over long distances is encountered use instead a balanced connection setup which employs a different method to cancel outside interference which impinges on the cable.
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#234627 - 12/13/08 10:47 AM Re: Is there any copper in those wires? [Re: JohnK]
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Thank you John, now I can enjoy my speaker wire without that tweaking bug chewing away at my enjoyment - "could it be better, i bet it could?"
But I still think that levitating wire made of moon rock is going to help just a bit extra. Just say’en.
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#234664 - 12/13/08 01:59 PM Re: Is there any copper in those wires? [Re: Zimm]
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Convincing, isn't he.

I suspect this is all leading up to him marketing his own "Signature series" brown lampcord speaker wires.
(complete with maintenance kit: wire strippers, Tarnex, and moss remover) ;\)


Edited by LT61 (12/13/08 02:00 PM)
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#234692 - 12/13/08 04:24 PM Re: Is there any copper in those wires? [Re: LT61]
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Registered: 11/16/08
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Loc: Indiana you hoser!!!!
How increadibly eye-opening this thread has been! OMG I can't even count all of the beliefs I used to hold that have forever been turned on their ear! I feel like the rug has been pulled right out from underneath all of my former (imaginary) knowledge on audio, and the reality that I've been 'taken for a ride' all of these years is smacking me in the face just like when Neo discovered the fallacy of the 'Matrix'!!!

It couldn't have come at a better time though. If I was going to learn all of this stuff, now (as I am completely re-purchasing everything that I lost in the fire) would definately be the time! My search for the 'latest & greatest' audio wire to give me the best sound possible has come to a screeching halt! Off to Radio Shack I go. Oh, and the $150 dollar Monster Cable 'Surge Protector/Power Conditioner' I was eyeballing to replace the one I lost (yes, I hold my head in shame as I admit to lining the pockets of those over at 'Monster Cable' for the last 10+ years)... HA, it can stay right there on the shelf collecting dust until the next uninformed shmuck parts ways with his hard-earned cash on it!

This has completely reversed my thinking process on this subject. From now on when I'm over at a friends house checking out his 'Top of the Line' Hi-Fi system, the cheaper the speaker cable I find he's running... the MORE impressed I'll be!


Edited by Micah (12/13/08 04:27 PM)
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#234698 - 12/13/08 05:38 PM Re: Is there any copper in those wires? [Re: Micah]
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Glad I'm not the only one...
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#234700 - 12/13/08 05:47 PM Re: Is there any copper in those wires? [Re: Micah]
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 Originally Posted By: Micah
This has completely reversed my thinking process on this subject. From now on when I'm over at a friends house checking out his 'Top of the Line' Hi-Fi system, the cheaper the speaker cable I find he's running... the MORE impressed I'll be!


It's hard to tell sarcasm on the net. I hope you were not being sarcastic, because (for the most part), wire is wire for speaker cables. If you weren't, my apologies, and enjoy your (cheaper than you would have spent) system!
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#234704 - 12/13/08 06:56 PM Re: Is there any copper in those wires? [Re: SRoode]
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