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#292556 - 02/16/10 12:59 PM Re: You're very first post.... [Re: Spoiler]
CatBrat Offline
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Registered: 08/05/09
Posts: 5871
Loc: Milky Way Galaxy
 Originally Posted By: Spoiler
Momentary thread derail time! \:\) Catbrat... that response curve is in that particular room with the PB13. Virtually any sub would have an uneven response curve depending on the room and where it's placed.


I didn't realize the room affected the response that much, since I've never bought one yet. But, I should have known from all I've read here so far.

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#292558 - 02/16/10 01:06 PM Re: You're very first post.... [Re: CatBrat]
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Registered: 06/23/07
Posts: 4022
Loc: Sitting down somewhere
Jason, it's good that you said that, as I read that review a month or so ago and wasn't thrilled about the sub. I was going to save up for it, but after reading that review, I decided to try to save up longer for the Paradigm sub 25, which would easily outperform the PB 13 ultra, but at twice the cost. Now that you have mentioned that, I'm probably going to revert back to the original choice of the PB 13.

Cam
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#292565 - 02/16/10 01:56 PM Re: You're very first post.... [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
jakewash Offline
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Registered: 12/26/03
Posts: 10398
Loc: Calgary, Alberta
I love my PB13, I would really like to compare it to the EP800 with the new amps, someone care to lend me an EP800? .........Anyone?.........anyone?..........I guess I will have to take the PB13 up to Mel's sometime.
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#292568 - 02/16/10 02:30 PM Re: You're very first post.... [Re: jakewash]
Da_Gimp_Pimp Offline
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Registered: 06/23/07
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That's another thing. Both subs have comparable output, and I unfortunately can't justify another $500-$600(depending how much I can haggle), although I admittedly don't know the technical advantages/disadvantages of them head to head. I love Axiom, and don't want to have to go elsewhere, but the price difference is pretty steep. The way I look at it is if I was going to spend $2600 on the EP800, why not save up another $1400 or less for the sub 25, that would kick the living hell out of an EP800.
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#292572 - 02/16/10 03:15 PM Re: You're very first post.... [Re: pmbuko]
Micah Offline
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Registered: 11/16/08
Posts: 1789
Loc: Indiana you hoser!!!!
 Originally Posted By: pmbuko
I have a Vitamix 5000 and can testify that it can, indeed, heat liquids to steaming hot.



why yes, this is what I love about cleaning it. It's a breeze... simply add water and run on high for 3 - 4 minutes and you've sterilized it! \:\)
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#292983 - 02/19/10 04:36 AM Re: You're very first post.... [Re: Micah]
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Registered: 02/12/09
Posts: 562
Loc: Discovery Bay, CA
from 2-15-09
[Quote=]Two opposing things that I think calls for a well thought out compromise. This great room (w/ kitchen and dining room behind listening area) having ≈ 700 sq', and 6,000 cu', is coupled with an amp on the smaller side (Denon 1909, 90 wpc). So the ability (power wise)to go with large fronts to help fill this large area is limited. I am hoping M60's will do an adequate job as fronts. Sides easily will be QS8's. The Axiom rep. concurred that for 7.1 backs located 16' behind primary listening posistion, QS8 reflectives would not get to listeners well. He recommended M2 (5 1/4" drvr) front firing bookshelves. I was surprised he thought the M22's (dual 5 1/4" drvrs) would not add that much and that M2's would do well there.

I know it's more important for rears to match rears and fronts to match fronts. So the question may be somewhat splitting hairs... How well will the M2 5 1/4" drvrs timber match the M60's (dual 6 1/2" mid/bass, one 5 1/4" mid drvr)? Great that the M2 has exactly the same driver and tweeter as the M8 surrounds. Also, what width apart would be a good choice for backs being 16' behind list. pos.? Current rears are on a shelf in corners. During Audyssey set up, you can tell the corner boosts them in a way that does not blend well.

Thanks, Dave[Quote]

Boy, did I learn how many hairs I tried to split. It took a loong time to let that go. ;o)

Did tons of testing with M80s, M60s, VP150 and (4) QS8s. I settled on M80s and the VP150. I've been away a long time. Been enjoying the home theater, instead of my previous analysis paralysis. ;\)

Thanks to all who helped (and tolerated) me in my long decision process!

I hope all are well personally and electronically.
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#292985 - 02/19/10 05:49 AM Re: You're very first post.... [Re: davekro]
MarkSJohnson Online   happy
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Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 10899
Loc: Central NH
Hey Dave! Good to see you again!
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#293007 - 02/19/10 10:51 AM Re: You're very first post.... [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Registered: 05/03/03
Posts: 17781
Loc: NoVA
Dave! Welcome back! Please stay awhile.
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#293033 - 02/19/10 02:10 PM Re: You're very first post.... [Re: davekro]
Micah Offline
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Registered: 11/16/08
Posts: 1789
Loc: Indiana you hoser!!!!
[quote=davekro]from 2-15-09
[Quote=]Two opposing things that I think calls for a well thought out compromise. This great room (w/ kitchen and dining room behind listening area) having ≈ 700 sq', and 6,000 cu', is coupled with an amp on the smaller side (Denon 1909, 90 wpc). So the ability (power wise)to go with large fronts to help fill this large area is limited. I am hoping M60's will do an adequate job as fronts. Sides easily will be QS8's. The Axiom rep. concurred that for 7.1 backs located 16' behind primary listening posistion, QS8 reflectives would not get to listeners well. He recommended M2 (5 1/4" drvr) front firing bookshelves. I was surprised he thought the M22's (dual 5 1/4" drvrs) would not add that much and that M2's would do well there.

I know it's more important for rears to match rears and fronts to match fronts. So the question may be somewhat splitting hairs... How well will the M2 5 1/4" drvrs timber match the M60's (dual 6 1/2" mid/bass, one 5 1/4" mid drvr)? Great that the M2 has exactly the same driver and tweeter as the M8 surrounds. Also, what width apart would be a good choice for backs being 16' behind list. pos.? Current rears are on a shelf in corners. During Audyssey set up, you can tell the corner boosts them in a way that does not blend well.

Thanks, Dave
 Quote:


Boy, did I learn how many hairs I tried to split. It took a loong time to let that go. ;o)

Did tons of testing with M80s, M60s, VP150 and (4) QS8s. I settled on M80s and the VP150. I've been away a long time. Been enjoying the home theater, instead of my previous analysis paralysis. ;\)

Thanks to all who helped (and tolerated) me in my long decision process!

I hope all are well personally and electronically.




Well that's all fine and good, but Dave we've moved on if you haven't noticed. Now tell us, what blender do you have?





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M80's
QS8's
VP150
EP800
Denon 4802
Emotiva XPA-3
Samsung BD-P3600
Sharp 65 Inch Aquos LCD

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#293051 - 02/19/10 03:17 PM Re: You're very first post.... [Re: Micah]
ClubNeon Offline
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Registered: 02/06/09
Posts: 3448
Loc: Western Maryland, USA
Hey, it is nice to see you back around these parts. We both showed up at about the same time. You have some catching up to do now that I have twice as many posts as you.

So yes, start with kitchen appliances.
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