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#300131 - 04/03/10 02:01 PM Re: I don't hesitate to recommend Axiom [Re: tomtuttle]
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Actually Dr. a DSP sub can give you better performance as it won't distort at 120-125dB's like non-DSP subs, to me that is worth the small increase in price. Not to mention the controlled frequency response provided by the algorithms in the chip.
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#300132 - 04/03/10 02:09 PM Re: I don't hesitate to recommend Axiom [Re: SirQuack]
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Sirquack you missed my point entirely. I am talking about comparing a DSP sub vs a non DSP from different manufacturer.

Of course if take out the DSP on the Axiom sub it will decrease its performance. Some subs will benefit with this technology more than others. There are benefits to DSP but it doesn't mean a non DSP sub will be inferior (comparing models in similar price ranges of course)
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#300133 - 04/03/10 02:13 PM Re: I don't hesitate to recommend Axiom [Re: SirQuack]
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 Originally Posted By: sirquack
Actually Dr. a DSP sub can give you better performance as it won't distort at 120-125dB's like non-DSP subs, to me that is worth the small increase in price. Not to mention the controlled frequency response provided by the algorithms in the chip.


If you feel the DSP is in fact worth the extra money why did you go with non DSP subs on you last purchase. Just wondering.
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#300134 - 04/03/10 02:34 PM Re: I don't hesitate to recommend Axiom [Re: SirQuack]
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 Originally Posted By: sirquack
Actually Dr. a DSP sub can give you better performance as it won't distort at 120-125dB's like non-DSP subs, to me that is worth the small increase in price. Not to mention the controlled frequency response provided by the algorithms in the chip.
Axiom's subs never even get close to 120db let alone 125(maybe the 800 does, I haven't seen anything yet).

The idea with DSP is not only for high db's, you get smoother response over the entire frequency range but so do many other manufacturers that are not using DSP, which was my point in asking if DSP was really necessary.
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#300135 - 04/03/10 03:15 PM Re: I don't hesitate to recommend Axiom [Re: jakewash]
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It really depends on the driver being used and its measured characteristics/performance and the overall performance the engineer wants to achieve with the design and parts being used.

To say there are "similarly good" subs compared to Axiom subwoofers that are cheaper or in some cases substantially cheaper is a factual statement. Its not bashing or perpetuating Axiom subs are not good value.
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#300136 - 04/03/10 03:48 PM Re: I don't hesitate to recommend Axiom [Re: wilwom]
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Got my first EP 500 (in veneer) in Nov. It died two weeks later. The only problem was living w/o it 'til the replacement amp came.
Axiom was tres cool about it. Even sheduled phone time @ my convenience to talk me through the dismantle (though I had already completed it myself w/o problem).

Odd that the replacement shipped to me was the previous version. (Turnaround was very quick ---their dime(s)). But, since the trim and other controls hadn't been on my newer version, AND those controls eliminated the room resonances I had thought were possibly a slow recovery time on the woofer, I was happier than before.

They even sent me a free QS8 replacement driver that I said I may have damaged myself during the install.

It's not my first sub, but until I have the money for a 6500 sq.' house and a JLA Fathom f212, I'll be quite content.
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#300137 - 04/03/10 03:54 PM Re: I don't hesitate to recommend Axiom [Re: BobKay]
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I believe as a whole system, inclusive of the sub, Axiom cannot be beat for the price, quality and service ... I'd do it again in a millisecond.

I'm very happy with our EP600, thank you very much.
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#300141 - 04/03/10 04:16 PM Re: I don't hesitate to recommend Axiom [Re: RickF]
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Rick: Without thinking any more about it---me, too!
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#300144 - 04/03/10 04:33 PM Re: I don't hesitate to recommend Axiom [Re: BobKay]
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Living in Alaska, they are a better "bargain" than the others. I have been quoted upwards of $500 to ship a sub to me from HSU and SVS of similar size and weight of the 600. I keep waiting for Axiom to dump the free shipping here, but they haven't yet, so I'll keep buying stuff from them till they do.... Looking forward to adding the two Vassalo 500's to my HT and seeing how well they play with the 600 this week.
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#300145 - 04/03/10 04:35 PM Re: I don't hesitate to recommend Axiom [Re: jakewash]
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 Originally Posted By: jakewash
Paradigm does, the DSP series and they are considerably cheaper. The 3200 can be bought for nearly half the price of the 500 or the 3400 for $300-400 less than the 500. I think that is the only real competition. I have not seen any other manufacturers using DSP, but do they need to? The EP350 works incredibly well, doesn't use DSP and is priced right in comparison to the competitors.

Maybe Axiom needs to bring out non-DSP versions of the 600/800 for those that want to experience the upper end of Axiom subs without the higher costs associated with their DSP technology.


The EP500 goes lower than the Paradigm's. The EP500 also has more power. Those differences may not be worth the delta in price to everyone, but I mention it because you need to compare apples to apples when talking about price.

For Canadians, the EP600 and EP800 are not that far off in price when compared to SVS:

EP600 landed cost $1957
SVS PC Ultra 13 landed cost $2089
EP800 landed cost $2542

The EP600 and PC13 are comparable, the EP800 is an upgrade over either one.

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