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#304843 - 05/04/10 02:27 PM Re: VP180 [Re: alan]
Micah Offline
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Registered: 11/16/08
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Loc: Indiana you hoser!!!!
 Originally Posted By: alan
I'd been doing days of listening, including some competitors' speakers...



What an incredibly cool job you have. I'm curious, and please be frank with us, while doing these blind tests do some of the competitors' come away with higher scores very often?

Don't worry, my next question isn't going to be, "so who sounds better than Axiom"? Lol, I just figure if Axiom is developing a certain speaker, and you're doing blind tests with it against some of your direct competition (obviously you're not going to include those competitors that you are not in competition with. Companies that color the audio signal such as Bose and what not...) and it's coming in under the competition, then that gives the designers and engineers that much more incentive to find ways to bring the test scores up so that they at least match if not exceed the scores of the speakers they are put up against.

I can't think of a better way to create a competitive product!
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#304844 - 05/04/10 02:34 PM Re: VP180 [Re: ClubNeon]
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Rainman, on the other hand...
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#304846 - 05/04/10 02:47 PM Re: VP180 [Re: ClubNeon]
Micah Offline
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 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
I figured it was a reference to Good Will Hunting, it's just been a while since I've seen the film, and maybe the character didn't make as large of an impression on me. \:D



Lol, well it certainly did on me!

Funny story, growing up I was always really good at math until I hit high school. By the time I took geometry I was way more interested in looking at the girls in class than paying attention to the teacher. That combined with my pitiful excuse for a memory really doomed my mathematical future. All those damn formula's we were expected to remember.... pffffffft, forget it, I could never remember the difference between the FOIL method and a stinking logorithm. From then on I concentrated on things like creative writing, art, and even history (hated history with a passion up till high school, then I got into a history class with a teacher named Mr. Pendley, he changed the way I looked at history. He made it so much fun to learn history that I couldn't get enough of it, even bought history books to study on my own time... a great teacher has the ability to completely change a students outlook).

Then I went and saw 'Good Will Hunting'.... good God I was soooo fired up after seeing that movie I wanted to be a math whiz too! So I immediately enrolled in like 3 math courses down at I.U. East. I was so determined to become good at math it wasn't even funny. The head of steam I'd built up carried me about 3 weeks into the semester... at which time I had become so bored I realized that it truely takes a different mind than the one I have to be interested in math. I couldn't do it, it just wasn't me. Math just isn't my bag of weed I guess.

I still do admire those who are really good at math though. We're all just wired differently I guess. I have an artistic mind. I was one of the top three or four art students in my high school. And I can remember many of my drawings hanging up in the display cases while other students and even other artists asking me, "how did you do that"???

And yes it really is like Matt Damon discribes it in 'Good Will Hunting', when it came to art I didn't even have to try very hard, I just put my pencil on the paper and it came out. It was easy. If it weren't for my being color blind I definately would have pursued a profession in the art world somewhere, because then I wouldn't have had to work for a living, it was way too easy to be considered work. And I guess for those who have a mathematical mind, it's the same way... math just 'makes sense' to them.
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#304851 - 05/04/10 03:56 PM Re: VP180 [Re: ClubNeon]
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 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
Just don't attempt to measure the exact angle, or your center channel will fall to the floor.

It's a fact.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry!
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#304859 - 05/04/10 04:38 PM Re: VP180 [Re: Adrian]
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Loc: Tacoma
Nice re-rail, Adrian. \:\)
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#304870 - 05/04/10 09:10 PM Re: VP180 [Re: pmbuko]
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Registered: 05/11/02
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Yeah Peter, and I leave the trig to my trusty pocket calculator: inverse tan 2.04/16.36=7.108 degrees. Taking the front/top bevel into account would probably make it more like 10 degrees. Wonder if Ian spent sleepless nights over the optimal slope.
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#304878 - 05/04/10 09:31 PM Re: VP180 [Re: alan]
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Alan, thanks for the reply. I understood from your comments in the Owners Club Newsletter that the key blind test had been with the horizontal VP180 compared with flanking vertical M80s, but I was wondering if the excellence of its performance had led to further tests in different orientations. For example, I recall your testing of vertical VP150s as possible candidates to be used as mains, and thought that a similar investigation might be appropriate for the VP180. A prospective purchaser might wonder, since the price will be the same and size is essentially the same, whether it would be to his advantage to buy two VP180s for use as vertical mains as compared to two M80s.

One possible advantage is suggested by Paul Barton's comments relating to a greater vertical spread between woofers leading to a spreading of the floor bounce effects, with less of a notch in the upper bass response.
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#304883 - 05/04/10 10:13 PM Re: VP180 [Re: JohnK]
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Registered: 04/20/10
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I am glad I can finally post on this thread because I was having login issues...

Are the subwoofers in this unit, powered? I had an old Polk CS1000 back in the late 90's that had to be plugged in.

Also, will this match up well with a pair of M60's?

Thanks!

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#304886 - 05/04/10 10:22 PM Re: VP180 [Re: HTGEEK]
JohnK Offline
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No, Jeff; just as in the M80s, all drivers are powered externally.
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#304887 - 05/04/10 10:25 PM Re: VP180 [Re: HTGEEK]
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Registered: 12/27/08
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HTGEEK, there are no *sub* woofers in this centre, only woofers, mid woofers and of course tweets. They are all powered externally. I'm not sure if Alan did any listening tests with the M60s or not, maybe he can elaborate on that. Presumably, the centre would work well with M60s just as it would the M80s.
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